Oh no not another free will thread.

[Edwardo Piet]

You think the objective reality is Causal.  Why?  You talk about logic.  Let's see some.  Give us some premises, and draw some conclusions that are more substantive than "Hammy has a gut feeling".  You can understand being dismissive of ideas who's bedrock is "Hammy's intuition says..." right?  

I'm basing it on the fact that most of reality seems to make sense so I think once you get to the quantum level of matter it just becomes too difficult to find the causes and they may be beyond human understanding. I'm down to an intution which is absolutely fine because I'm not talking about anything that is testable by science. And the quantum world may be acausal as we experience it but much of life seems very causal. I don't think the quantum world is an indication of the causality of reality as a whole. I think it's an indication of reality becoming too complex and alien for us to find the causes. Ultimately I think all causes happen outside of our experience, which makes a lot of sense intuitively to me.

Because that's what you've presented.

You're only down to a gut feeling by saying it's acausal, too, if you're talking about reality outside of our experience. Science can only speak of reality inside our experience (as I've explained many times already).

Science at the moment says the world appears to have some a-causal events.

Key words being "appears to." Science at the moment says that the world as we experience it seems to have acausal events.

You're confusing scientific quantum indeterminacy with philosophical indeterminism. That's what you're doing and that's as concise as I can make it.

Do you see how foolish your opinion looks in that context?

Yes, I see that my opinion looks foolish when you keep repeatedly putting it into the context that I have repeatedly explained is not the context that my opinion is in. It looks foolish in that context because that's the wrong damn context as I have explained to you time, and time, and time again.

The crux of what I'm actually saying is in the autotune chorus by Richard Dawkins in this silly fanmade music video of scientists talking about reality:

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"Are there things about the universe that are forever beyond our grasp? Are there things about the universe that are ungraspable?" that's what I'm addressing and you just keep turning it into "But that contradicts what has already been grasped!" I'm not talking about what has been grasped or what is even graspable. I'm talking about whatever by definition is ungraspable.

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