Oh no not another free will thread.

[henryp]

You think the objective reality is Causal.  Why?  You talk about logic.  Let's see some.  Give us some premises, and draw some conclusions that are more substantive than "Hammy has a gut feeling".  You can understand being dismissive of ideas who's bedrock is "Hammy's intuition says..." right?  

I'm basing it on the fact that most of reality seems to make sense so I think once you get the quantum reality it just becomes too difficult to find the causes and they may be beyond human understanding. I'm down to an intution which is absolutely fine because I'm not talking about anything that is testable than science. And the quantum world may be acausal as we experience it but much of life seems very causal. I don't think the quantum world is an indication of the causality of reality as a whole. I think it's an indication of reality becoming too complex and alien for us to find the causes. Ultimately I think all causes happen outside of our experience, which makes a lot of sense intuitively to me.

When I compare what you're doing to theism, this is why.  It's too complex.  It's too alien.  It's not testable.  It seems, it's intuitive, I think, it makes sense, etc... .  Science has it's limits.  

Maybe we can get a theist to stop by, and ask them if these are a lot of the core tenets involved with why they think there is a God, because it absolutely is the same way they frame their arguments.