RE: In the beginning....
April 28, 2018 at 2:08 am
(This post was last modified: April 28, 2018 at 3:03 am by Godscreated.)
(April 27, 2018 at 2:31 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:(April 27, 2018 at 12:42 am)Godscreated Wrote: First let me say I've seen what people call trees in other parts of this country that I would call a bush, yet they are trees by a scientific definition.Great. By scientific definition, mustard is in the cabbage family. See any cabbage trees around lately?
Ever see a cabbage that's ten foot tall and looks like a small tree or large bush.
(April 27, 2018 at 12:42 am)Godscreated Wrote: Second the mustard seed is the smallest of seeds known to the Jews of that day. Jesus used this as a proverbial statement to show how something so small can become so large in comparison of size.
Abaddon_ire Wrote:So you are claiming that Jesus the Jew new only as much as his fellow Jews. Fine by me.
Jesus knew about everything He created, it was the Jews who knew of no smaller seed and it was used as a proverbial statement even before Jesus time.
(April 27, 2018 at 12:42 am)Godscreated Wrote: The mustard plant that Jesus was speaking of could grow up to ten feet tall and there are trees that are shorter than that.
Abaddon_ire Wrote:Nope, 2 feet tall.
Yes 8 to 10 feet tall better check, I have and it is still being used today.
(April 27, 2018 at 12:42 am)Godscreated Wrote: The Rabbis used this proverbial saying before Jesus did, it is a way to convey a meaning.
Abaddon_ire Wrote:So now you claim that Jesus the Jew plagiarised the idea. Fine by me
Now your showing how stupid you are, using a common statement is not plagiarism.
(April 27, 2018 at 12:42 am)Godscreated Wrote: Boy for someone who says the Bible can't be taken literally you sure find it convenient to take it literally to prove your point when the passage was never meant to be literal or scientific.
Abaddon_ire Wrote:Bible can't be taken literally? Everyone knows that but you.
The only ones who believe the Bible can't be literal are those who do not believe and thus they can't be trusted to tell the truth, yes I mean you.
(April 27, 2018 at 12:42 am)Godscreated Wrote: Mustard was considered a very important herb in all it's forms for thousands of years, from a food source to medicine.
Abaddon_ire Wrote:Nope. Just a condiment. Earliest known use was the Indus in about 3,000 BC giving rise to the Sumerian civilisation which proves that the Epic of Gilgamesh is more accurate that your holey babble.
The Epic of Gilgamesh gave dimensions on the arc and how it was to be built, when one was built to a much smaller size it virtually sank right from the get go. The Arc of the Bible has been shown to be a stable vessel and one that could have taken sever poundings from raging seas. The mustard is 5000 years in use and it was used in ancient Chinese medicine long before Jesus came to earth. You better study harder or stay out of these discussions. By the way a condiment is a food source.
(April 27, 2018 at 12:42 am)Godscreated Wrote: I like this, "almost certain," meaning we do not know. The Jewish people prided themselves in being completely accurate in the retelling of stories so the meaning wouldn't be lost to the next generation. No communication doesn't work that way, spicing up a story to make it more interesting and less believable does though, you know like the stories the atheist here tell about the Word of God.
Abaddon_ire Wrote:Really? Then why do you not convert to Judaism? According to you, they must have the most accurate account. This, of course, means that Jesus the Jew was not the messiah or anything like it.
In other news, bible Adam and Eve never existed so that is a lie. Bible god came up with three different versions of the ten commandments and Jesus the Jew only cited 5 of those and everyone ignores the other 600 odd commandments except for Jesus who explicitly endorsed those very 600 commandments. Lies aplenty right there.
Jesus never came to endorse those laws, he came to fulfill the moral laws and since you seem to have a claim that Adam and Eve never existed you have some proving to do, there is one set of commandments not three different ones. Exactly why do you believe Jesus needed to cite more than five of the Commandments, what rule says he had to give all ten, got any answers for these questions?
Abaddon_ire Wrote:What about Gen 1? Why does it conflict with Gen 2? Why do both conflict with science?
They do not conflict, one just gives some detail of the other, someone who flaunts his own great mental capacity ought to be able to see that. neither conflict with real science, the so called Big Pop theory is in conflict with what God tells us happened.
Abaddon_ire Wrote:How did Moses write a book describing his own funeral?
He didn't Joshua finished that book.
AbaddonIre Wrote:Then we have the problem of the three omnis...
Omnipotent - God is all powerful, sovereign.
Omniscience - God is all knowing all the time.
Omnipresent - God is everywhere at once.
The holey babble explicitly denies all three.
Omnipotent - Except if the enemy has iron chariots. An M1A1 Abrams could mess god up.
Omniscience - Useless god couldn't find Adam in the Garden of Eden.
Omnipresent - Would not have needed to search for Adam if true.
The bottom line here is that the bible is full of obvious lies and falsehoods.
What's obvious is you do not have an inkling of understanding of the scriptures, you only repeat what you've heard and not knowing what you have heard is true or false makes you the gullible one. Apparently you do not care whether false statements made by others and repeated by you make you look stupid.
Because God is eternal and omnipresent it means He has been everywhere, He has already been into the future because He has always been there. God knew where Adam and Eve were, He called to them as a loving father would call to his child who had done wrong and was hiding. Dad knew the child was hiding in the bedroom just as God the Father knew where Adam and Eve were hiding. For someone who claims to be smart you do show a great lack of common sense and reasoning. The chariots did not stop God from working it was the disobedience of the Israelites, punishment sometimes come when one least expects it. You are always moving in on my discussions with other and I can only assume you have nothing better to do or you feel left out. I've answered all you posted and you might as well be satisfied with that because I am not going to answer your reply, I'm to busy to be bothered with such stupid replies.
GC
(April 27, 2018 at 4:15 am)Joods Wrote:(April 27, 2018 at 12:42 am)Godscreated Wrote:
Could it be you are not intelligent enough to dispute fact.
GC
Not at all. You knew exactly what it meant so your attempt at an insult, fails.
Really, I saw the statement as you beating around a bush that baffles you, what I stated was all true and you had no answer for my post.
GC
(April 27, 2018 at 3:26 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:(April 27, 2018 at 12:42 am)Godscreated Wrote: you speak as if you believe and I know you do not so what you say has to be taken with a grain of salt.
I speak as if it happened in the fictional universe, just like SW fans discuss if the rebels killed innocent workers when they destroyed Death Star in "Return Of Jedi"
You speak no truth when it comes to God.
(April 27, 2018 at 12:42 am)Godscreated Wrote: Just how is it you see that God is lying.
FM Wrote:Because they said it.
They who, the people you found on a biased web site, you repeated them to justify your own disbelief, God want be so understanding of such dishonesty.
(April 27, 2018 at 12:42 am)Godscreated Wrote: the mustard seed is the smallest of seeds known to the Jews of that day.
Even first-century Palestinian farmers knew of a few other seeds that were smaller, such as the black orchid.[/quote]
There were no Palestinians then, so they could not have known. The so-called Palestinians are not a specific people they are a hodge podge of Middle eastern people that settled in Israel when it wasn't the country of the Israelies. Many of the people who were there from other countries were not wanted in their own especially Syria. Are you sure black orchids grew in the middle east, I do not know but i do know the black orchid is native to the Americas and Australia seems these lands were yet to be discovered in the first century.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.