RE: My view and reasons for them. Atheist and Christians welcome here. (short)
May 7, 2018 at 7:16 pm
(May 7, 2018 at 4:14 pm)The Industrial Atheist Wrote:(May 7, 2018 at 1:08 pm)Quick Wrote: I think that is a perfectly reasonable answer. The only thing I will say is that you probably changed and started playing the dance when you did find out what it was called. I find myself in a state of reevaluation knowing that what you are saying here about your beliefs is probably true. My only problem there is that I question where the point that your learned what it was called if you are an atheist since I think that is a pretty common belief which would be difficult to not know about.
What makes you say I am automatically a hypocrite based on my beliefs? I am not saying those things lead to things that are miraculous or divine.
I might duck out if it gets toxic >.<
I am not saying that people don't think for themselves in all aspects of their life. IME, simply living life requires at least some thinking on your own. What I am talking about is where there is when you take a stance, and it is a stance many people have taken before you, you are probably going to use what those other people have said and follow it. In a way, I am saying people are groomed to know the "correct" way. There is a psychological component here of us vs them and in doing so, this leads to a certain correctness which leads to people not thinking on their own.
I am not sure what the fallacies I am making are. IME ignostic is just apathy while agnostic is uncertainty. The latter leads to discovery and the former does not.
Sure. Like take for example how in quantum mechanics that if you are looking for something, a different things happens than if you are not looking.
When I say agnostic what I am really saying is that I do not actually know whether that thing is true or not. I am unsure.
I am not going to swet the details of what my belief is called or falls under, because I don't think it is important. I find what the actual belief is is more important than what it is called.
Again, I am not saying the discovery process of finding out what you believe wasn't your own doing, but that once you knew, you started to figure out what the rules of the game were and followed them, which then leads to less thinking on your own. It is the same basic thing you did for your christianity that you are doing for atheism.
Well, nothing happens in a vacuum. This goes for pretty much everything. Especially in the case of Victor Stenger's "God, the Failed Hypothesis" credible evidence was presented. Believing credible evidence is just basic. I suppose I could have tried to do all that research on my own, but I didn't have to. With anything, nobody starts from square one.
Now sometimes, charismatic people can convince you of things that aren't true, but I don't think this is the case here. Even if I had a degree in Evolutionary Biology, I would have had to accept facts based on credible evidence to get to that point.
I mean, I could have gone back to being a Christian if I wanted to. In some ways my life would have been easier.
Christianity has invented myths rather than credible facts. They even say it's based on faith, and that any evidence they have comes from faith.