RE: My view and reasons for them. Atheist and Christians welcome here. (short)
May 7, 2018 at 8:13 pm
(May 7, 2018 at 3:17 pm)Whateverist Wrote:(May 6, 2018 at 1:52 pm)Quick Wrote: I find this forum to be much of a dance (Re: christians being here [haven't run into any muslims yet])... I find whatever one's beliefs, one must learn the steps, and in that there is an inherent flaw: people are not thinking for themselves.
My opinion is this: You have been taught the steps, what more is your belief than that? I don't believe many people thought up the idea there is no God on their own since historically speaking, humans have believed a God exists. So I don't think they came to the conclusion themselves, but that this is something that is taught (or worse, they are simply believing in an antithesis). The point here is that people are not thinking for themselves. I will say I am not a hypocrite in this manner considering I came to the only reasonable conclusion I could make, which is that in the debate of whether God is real or not, I find the only reasonable explanation is that I don't know, which leads me to thinking that because there is a debate about God in the first place that someone somewhere must be on to something a long time ago, which leads me to believing everything is miraculous and everything is God.
Then you're not an agnostic though you may be a pantheist.
I have no belief in gods so I am an atheist. I don't argue that gods don't exist so I am also agnostic. I do however think that gods which people have so long believed in do not justify a belief in anything supernatural. God belief is natural. But that doesn't mean people have been correct to posit some ultra dimension in which they may exist. God belief exists in people's experience and that is where you need to look to find of what a god actually consists.
Yes, I more or less straddle the line between agnostic and pantheist because I believe that there may or may not be a God that explains out existence and that if there is a God that this God likely is/was more just the push that put the universe into existence. That said, I do believe there are active effects of this supposed God's existence that are represented as phenomenon that cannot be explained.
You didn't ask me a question, so I was not quite sure how to respond.
But your individuality and your present need will be swept away by change,
and what you now ardently desire will one day become the object of abhorrence.
~ Schiller - 'Psychological Types'