RE: My view and reasons for them. Atheist and Christians welcome here. (short)
May 7, 2018 at 8:43 pm
(This post was last modified: May 7, 2018 at 8:44 pm by Quick.)
(May 7, 2018 at 8:32 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:(May 7, 2018 at 7:37 pm)Quick Wrote: I'd say the belief that there is no God is a faith as well. The only way for your belief to not be a faith is to say you don't know since there isn't proof one way or another.
Absolutely incorrect.
First of all, atheism is not the belief that there is no god. Atheism is the rejection of the claims made by theist that there is a god.
At its most fundamental, atheism is nothing more, than not being convinced that a god exists.
Second, how is not being convinced of an unsupported claim, a faith based position?
I'll bet you disbelieve in many supernatural claims (bigfoot, alien abductions, Jinn, tarot cards, etc, etc). Is you disbelief in any of those a faith based position?
Do you require faith to disbelieve in the Greek pantheon of gods?
If that is the definition of what atheism is, I am not quite sure why this place exists considering it doesn't actually have a theory of its own. I guess I nailed it with my antithesis argument. That seems to be the basis for the entire belief system.
But then you provide a different definition of what an atheist is which confuses me because this definition looks a lot more like a pessimistic agnostic's beliefs.
I think not believing an unsupported claim is fine but it doesn't actually tell you much. I mean there are a lot of things I can simply not believe the claim of, but you don't see me giving a big up and all about those things. What exactly is the direction that atheism gives you? I guess this is a question I would be open hearing from others as well as yourself.
I mean, I can call myself an anti-conspiracist, but that doesn't actually give me much to work with.
Any stance one makes towards something that cannot be proven one way or another is what I would say is a belief. Do I believe in the Greek pantheon of gods? No, but I can't be sure they do not exist; I can only say it is unlikely that they do.
I think a definition of what an agnostic is in order because I fail to see the distinction between an agnostic and an atheist.
(May 7, 2018 at 8:36 pm)Succubus Wrote:(May 7, 2018 at 7:57 pm)Quick Wrote: I am just noting an observation when I talk about the dance.
IIRC, the reason for atheism is that they believe there is no God because there is no/ineffective evidence to support that there is a God, which leads people to believe there is no God or something very similar. Which, sure, but there is no evidence that life should exist either and yet here we are.
Transcended Dimensions; is that you?
Hm?
But your individuality and your present need will be swept away by change,
and what you now ardently desire will one day become the object of abhorrence.
~ Schiller - 'Psychological Types'