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Deidre's Ramblings
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RE: Deidre's Ramblings
Friday, May 18

I have a good friend who has been in my life for about ten years. We went out for dinner recently, and had a chat about all kinds of things. She's an atheist, as most of my friends are. I know she's a true friend when she didn't take offense to me turning back to a spiritual life.

We got to talking about one of her friends from work who is gay and getting married. My friend, who I thought I knew so well, expressed her disdain for the gay lifestyle...saying ''it's not normal'' and ''who is he fooling by getting married?'' I said, ''who is he fooling, what?'' And she proceeded to explain that she feels that gay people are trying to mimic heterosexuals in marriage, and living lives ''like we do,'' is how she put it. I replied by asking her why it even bothers her, if someone who's gay at her work wants to get married. It shouldn't. If two consenting adults want to have sex, it's their business. I felt this way when I was a religious Christian, I felt this way as an atheist, and I feel this way now, returning to my belief in God.

She listened to me, and I think that part of the problem for her is that she came from a bigoted, religious household, growing up. Her parents are racist and apparently homo-phobic (I don't like that term, but it fits here, I guess) and unfortunately, no matter how hard we try to shed the demons from our childhood, they come back to haunt us, sometimes. In the most unexpected ways. My friend is a good person, she truly is. I don't want her to be a bigot. I don't even feel right calling her that, and maybe it's not my place to call anyone that. If you don't like something, it's your right. You're entitled to your own opinion.

But, my friend has bigoted ideas.

And she would be wise to stay open minded to what she is currently ignorant over, and not allow herself to judge or misjudge a group of people who simply, in my eyes, are trying to find love like the rest of us. Bigotry comes from a place of ignorance, and fear. This has always been my opinion.

On a secular level, heterosexuals are getting divorced left and right, it's not like we can say to gay people ''hey, we've got this down, so let us tell you what to do,'' because we don't know what we're doing, either. And ironically, Christian evangelicals have the highest divorce rates. Irony is a funny thing, especially when the lowest divorce rates come from atheists. Actually, a recent study I've read also suggests that a lot of successful marriages come from atheists marrying religious people. Don't shoot the messenger, yo. Dodgy

But, interestingly, bigoted ideas can come from religious people, and non-religious types, just the same. It's an attitude, and perhaps a learned one. If we can learn something though, we can unlearn it.
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Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - May 12, 2018 at 12:35 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by J a c k - May 12, 2018 at 2:55 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by robvalue - May 12, 2018 at 3:02 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by brewer - May 12, 2018 at 7:12 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by ignoramus - May 12, 2018 at 8:23 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - May 12, 2018 at 11:39 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - May 12, 2018 at 5:17 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - May 13, 2018 at 1:11 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - May 14, 2018 at 10:57 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by The Valkyrie - May 14, 2018 at 11:00 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - May 14, 2018 at 11:05 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by The Valkyrie - May 14, 2018 at 11:08 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - May 14, 2018 at 11:13 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by The Valkyrie - May 14, 2018 at 11:17 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - May 18, 2018 at 7:21 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - May 19, 2018 at 1:47 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by Fireball - May 19, 2018 at 3:11 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - May 19, 2018 at 6:46 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by Fireball - May 19, 2018 at 7:59 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by SaStrike - May 19, 2018 at 7:08 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - May 19, 2018 at 10:39 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by Fireball - May 19, 2018 at 11:48 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by brewer - May 20, 2018 at 1:17 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - May 20, 2018 at 7:01 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by The Industrial Atheist - May 20, 2018 at 10:11 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by The Valkyrie - May 20, 2018 at 10:16 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - May 20, 2018 at 10:34 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by The Valkyrie - May 20, 2018 at 10:40 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - May 22, 2018 at 10:10 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - May 24, 2018 at 10:38 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - May 27, 2018 at 2:58 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - May 31, 2018 at 5:49 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by MysticKnight - May 31, 2018 at 6:11 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - May 31, 2018 at 6:25 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by MysticKnight - May 31, 2018 at 6:29 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by Angrboda - May 31, 2018 at 7:02 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - May 31, 2018 at 9:03 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by Angrboda - May 31, 2018 at 9:08 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - May 31, 2018 at 9:20 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 1, 2018 at 10:20 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by SaStrike - June 2, 2018 at 12:20 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by MysticKnight - June 2, 2018 at 12:06 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 3, 2018 at 10:52 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 7, 2018 at 11:51 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 9, 2018 at 10:32 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by brewer - June 10, 2018 at 12:17 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 10, 2018 at 2:47 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by brewer - June 10, 2018 at 2:53 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 10, 2018 at 3:13 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by SaStrike - June 11, 2018 at 6:04 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 12, 2018 at 8:34 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 17, 2018 at 12:27 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by The Valkyrie - June 17, 2018 at 1:49 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by The Grand Nudger - June 17, 2018 at 1:17 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by MysticKnight - June 17, 2018 at 1:21 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 17, 2018 at 5:40 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 18, 2018 at 8:42 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by Kernel Sohcahtoa - June 19, 2018 at 9:41 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 20, 2018 at 8:43 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by The Industrial Atheist - June 20, 2018 at 9:45 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 19, 2018 at 6:16 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by MysticKnight - June 19, 2018 at 6:48 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 19, 2018 at 7:30 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by MysticKnight - June 19, 2018 at 7:33 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 19, 2018 at 7:58 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by MysticKnight - June 19, 2018 at 8:03 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 21, 2018 at 9:14 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 23, 2018 at 2:00 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by Jello - June 23, 2018 at 7:27 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 24, 2018 at 12:30 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by Jello - June 24, 2018 at 5:55 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by The Valkyrie - June 24, 2018 at 6:02 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by Jello - June 24, 2018 at 9:15 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 24, 2018 at 6:20 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 24, 2018 at 4:52 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by The Valkyrie - June 24, 2018 at 6:21 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 24, 2018 at 6:21 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by The Valkyrie - June 24, 2018 at 6:33 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 25, 2018 at 7:59 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by Angrboda - June 25, 2018 at 4:54 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 25, 2018 at 6:19 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 25, 2018 at 10:35 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by Fireball - June 25, 2018 at 10:55 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 25, 2018 at 10:58 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by Fireball - June 26, 2018 at 9:16 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 26, 2018 at 11:33 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by The Valkyrie - June 26, 2018 at 11:43 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by The Industrial Atheist - June 25, 2018 at 10:55 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by The Valkyrie - June 25, 2018 at 11:09 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by The Industrial Atheist - June 26, 2018 at 8:10 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 26, 2018 at 7:56 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 27, 2018 at 10:06 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by brewer - June 27, 2018 at 10:44 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by energizer bunny - June 29, 2018 at 5:10 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 29, 2018 at 8:36 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by MysticKnight - June 29, 2018 at 3:51 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 29, 2018 at 4:08 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by MysticKnight - June 27, 2018 at 10:07 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 27, 2018 at 10:09 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 28, 2018 at 8:08 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by Succubus - June 29, 2018 at 5:20 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by Fireball - June 28, 2018 at 8:43 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 29, 2018 at 7:02 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by MysticKnight - June 29, 2018 at 4:10 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 29, 2018 at 4:11 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by MysticKnight - June 29, 2018 at 4:14 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - June 30, 2018 at 12:50 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - July 4, 2018 at 12:30 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by The Valkyrie - July 4, 2018 at 12:52 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by MysticKnight - July 4, 2018 at 10:57 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - July 11, 2018 at 11:00 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by Fireball - July 12, 2018 at 12:09 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by The Valkyrie - July 12, 2018 at 1:22 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by brewer - July 12, 2018 at 8:49 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - July 12, 2018 at 6:19 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by Silver - July 12, 2018 at 6:21 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by The Valkyrie - July 12, 2018 at 6:46 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - July 13, 2018 at 7:07 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by Fireball - July 13, 2018 at 7:14 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by Succubus - July 13, 2018 at 9:27 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - July 13, 2018 at 9:28 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - July 15, 2018 at 5:20 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - July 17, 2018 at 10:11 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by EgoDeath - July 18, 2018 at 1:37 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by MysticKnight - July 18, 2018 at 8:12 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by The Industrial Atheist - July 18, 2018 at 9:17 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - July 18, 2018 at 4:21 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - July 27, 2018 at 11:27 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by MysticKnight - July 28, 2018 at 5:42 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by The Industrial Atheist - August 4, 2018 at 3:48 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by energizer bunny - July 28, 2018 at 3:04 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by brewer - July 28, 2018 at 7:58 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - July 28, 2018 at 10:28 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - August 2, 2018 at 10:16 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by MysticKnight - August 4, 2018 at 10:44 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - August 4, 2018 at 1:05 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by MysticKnight - August 4, 2018 at 1:57 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - August 5, 2018 at 1:34 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - August 12, 2018 at 12:51 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - August 20, 2018 at 11:35 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by MysticKnight - August 21, 2018 at 9:11 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by MysticKnight - September 4, 2018 at 10:06 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - September 4, 2018 at 10:30 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by The Valkyrie - September 4, 2018 at 10:41 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by MysticKnight - September 5, 2018 at 7:18 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - September 8, 2018 at 6:55 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by MysticKnight - September 29, 2018 at 2:27 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - October 3, 2018 at 8:46 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by MysticKnight - October 16, 2018 at 1:27 pm
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - October 19, 2018 at 11:43 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by MysticKnight - October 19, 2018 at 11:49 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by MysticKnight - November 12, 2018 at 12:58 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - November 20, 2018 at 12:39 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by MysticKnight - November 20, 2018 at 12:40 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - November 20, 2018 at 12:44 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by MysticKnight - November 20, 2018 at 12:46 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - November 20, 2018 at 12:49 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by MysticKnight - November 20, 2018 at 12:51 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - November 20, 2018 at 12:54 am
RE: Deidre's Ramblings - by *Deidre* - December 13, 2018 at 10:41 am

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