(September 25, 2008 at 10:45 am)starbucks Wrote: Anyways, very philosophical stuff we're delving into here.
I think it is philosphy and not science, really. This math looks like logic mathto me, like it is realted to discrete mathematics. And the ideas of "sufficeint cause" instead of "necessary cause" still proposes that something must exist as a suffieiceint casue of the next thing, and whether that thing actually manifests is a just a probability. But it would still require something to be around as a condition precedent.
So we get back to the same old observation that SOMETHING must have spontaneously existed at least initially.
Creationists like to think that God exists outside of time and space and so it eliminates the need for that spontaneous thing to exist. But it is so illogical to me. That's just another way of saying he spontaneously exists. But it makes more sense to me to presume that we spontaneously exist, and the need to believe in a creator is a primitive reaction.
