Race and IQs

[AFTT47]

I'm jumping in late and I have only skimmed through the thread. I'll just throw a few things out there:

If there really is a genetic IQ difference between races then we need to accept that. Fact is fact. There is no point denying it.

BUT:

Color me skeptical that there really is such a difference. I have read of studies that show that expectation can influence scores. So if you think you're smart, you'll persist in trying to figure out out a tough problem because you expect you can. Similarly, if you think you're a dumbass, you are more likely to give up on figuring out a tough problem because you expect you can't.

Asians self-identify as smart. A lot of African Americans self-identify as dumbasses - even to the point of taking pride in it. Both groups are a product of culture rather then genetics.

Even if there really is a genetic difference between racial IQs, the very value of IQ as a predictor of success is highly questionable. It says little about creativity, drive or persistence.

So, I don't outright poo-poo the supposed differences in racial IQ but I hold out a great deal of skepticism that it is real - especially the spread of figures the OP provided - and I am similarly skeptical of how much of a real difference it makes.

Do the Obamas strike anyone as intellectually challenged? Granted that not all African Americans can aspire to be Barack or Michelle Obama but again, not all Caucasians can be Bill or Hillary Clinton. Some of them grew up to be Donald and Ivanka Trump - or the fucking idiots who voted for and support them.