Race and IQs

[Huggy Bear]

You took issue with me exposing the obvious bias in the research conducted on racial IQ, why?

You specifically made their bias an issue when their bias isn't the issue, but rather the validity of their work.

Now If you have information proving the 'Bell Curve' scientifically sound, provide it, otherwise your objections have no merit.

That doesn't follow, but by all means continue making fallacious arguments if it makes you feel better.

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ETA: The OP asked two questions.  1) Is believing the research of these men itself racist? and 2) Is there an objection to teaching these ideas?

If you feel that the authors' bias is relevant to either question, I'd like to hear in what way it is relevant?

Let's take Richard Lynn whom the OP references and the 'Bell Curve' cites as a source.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1994/12/...ell-curve/

Lynn is an associate editor of Mankind Quarterly, and has received $325,000 from the Pioneer Fund. One of his articles expressed support for the view that “the poor and the ill” are “weak specimens whose proliferation needs to be discouraged in the interests of the improvement of the genetic quality of the group, and ultimately of group survival.” He has also written that the genetic mental superiority of the Jews may be a happy Darwinian byproduct of “intermittent persecutions which the more intelligent may have been able to foresee and escape.”

Lynn’s work is cited twenty-four times in The Bell Curve’s bibliography. It is used to support three important claims: that East Asians have a higher average IQ than whites; that most immigrants come from groups with subpar IQs; and that the IQ score of blacks in Africa is “substantially below” the American black average.

https://www.samtiden.com/tbc/las_artikel.php?id=66

Lynn chose to ignore the substance of Crawford-Nutt's paper, which reported that 228 black high school students in Soweto scored an average of 45 correct responses on the Matrices--HIGHER than the mean of 44 achieved by the same-age white sample on whom the test's norms had been established and well above the mean of Owen's coloured pupils.

Let me bring up a quote of yours from another thread

That's confirmation bias plain and simple.  You count the hits but ignore (or rationalize away) the misses.  That's only proof that you want so badly to believe that you're willing to distort the evidence to fit.  That only leads to unreliable conclusions based on fallacious reasoning.  If you're willing to distort the evidence because of such strong, irrational bias, why should we believe anything you have to say about NDEs?

So now all of a sudden confirmation bias isn't an issue? I've pointed out that ONE; I repeat ONE racist organization is behind the research of IQ based on race, but noooo Jormungandr, there's nothing fishy about that at all.  

Furthermore it has been shown that IQ's were an ESTIMATION based upon Lynns faulty data.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1994/12/...ell-curve/

Nevertheless, Murray and Herrnstein venture an estimate of African IQ, drawn mainly from an article by Lynn that appeared in Mankind Quarterly in 1991.

https://www.samtiden.com/tbc/las_artikel.php?id=66

To answer the question they have posed, Herrnstein and Murray call on the authority of Richard Lynn of the University of Ulster in Ireland, described as "a leading scholar of racial and ethnic differences," from whose advice they have "benefited especially." They state that Lynn, who in 1991 reviewed 11 African IQ studies, "estimated the median black African IQ to be 75...about 10 points lower than the current figure for American blacks."

Since you seem to be in acceptance of this shoddy research work, can you explain to me why out of ALL the immigrant groups that come to the US, the most educated are African?

African immigrants are more educated than most — including people born in U.S.

Immigrants from Africa Boast Higher Education Levels Than Overall U.S. Population

Therefore based on the evidence the answers to both questions are as follows:

1) Is believing the research of these men itself racist?

Seeing how the research is based on no real science, the answer is yes.

2) Is there an objection to teaching these ideas?

Seeing how the research is based on no real science, the answer is yes.

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It would seem the OP is too much of a coward to have any further discourse...