Race and IQs

[Angrboda]

There's an additional sense in which you were shooting the messenger, Huggy. Discounting the work of these researchers is not the same thing as refuting their hypothesis that there are inherent differences in intelligence between the races. I'd have to go back and reread your rant about eugenics and nazism, but it seemed obvious that your point was as much a dispute with that hypothesis as it was a dispute about the research of these individuals. Alex was quite right that if one wants to assert that there are no inherent differences in intelligence, one is equally burdened. Refuting the evidence for the hypothesis that there are inherent differences is not the same as showing that there aren't. I suspect that the latter is ultimately your aim, and so knocking the specific researchers and research of these men in a very real sense is shooting the messenger instead of killing the message.

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Let me bring up a quote of yours from another thread

That's confirmation bias plain and simple.  You count the hits but ignore (or rationalize away) the misses.  That's only proof that you want so badly to believe that you're willing to distort the evidence to fit.  That only leads to unreliable conclusions based on fallacious reasoning.  If you're willing to distort the evidence because of such strong, irrational bias, why should we believe anything you have to say about NDEs?

So now all of a sudden confirmation bias isn't an issue? I've pointed out that ONE; I repeat ONE racist organization is behind the research of IQ based on race, but noooo Jormungandr, there's nothing fishy about that at all.  

I don't see how confirmation bias is the issue. But apparently you'll grab at any straw. One third of your quotes focused solely on the question of bias, and your little rant about eugenics and nazism only seemed to support my point that this goes beyond an issue with the specific research for you, and instead is an attack on the very hypothesis of inherent differences in intelligence itself. Speaking of things from other threads, regarding the question of abiogenesis and atheism, you've made clear that you have trouble accepting the validity of answering such questions with "I don't know." This appears to be yet another example where your prejudice against agnosticism concerning an issue is expressing itself (see next).

Since you seem to be in acceptance of this shoddy research work, can you explain to me why out of ALL the immigrant groups that come to the US, the most educated are African?

This is outright slander. I took great pains to point out my agnosticism on the issue. That you choose to turn around and claim otherwise just makes you out to be a liar.

1) Is believing the research of these men itself racist?

Seeing how the research is based on no real science, the answer is yes.

2) Is there an objection to teaching these ideas?

Seeing how the research is based on no real science, the answer is yes.

I disagree with you on the first, and agree with you on the second. More importantly, I don't think your digression about the research was aimed at the OP's questions but rather at the hypothesis that there are inherent differences between the races in intelligence. I can understand your concern about the question, but shooting down particular researchers' work is not the same as addressing that hypothesis. Nor does it address what I think was an unvoiced question which was what it ultimately means if there are inherent differences, to which I think Tiberius' answer was a good start.