(June 5, 2018 at 10:52 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote:Because it gets his right wing panties in a bunch .(June 5, 2018 at 10:42 pm)johan Wrote: Which goes back to a point I already covered. The baker was willing to sell them other items. The baker does not want to do wedding cakes for gay weddings. Its not an item he wants to sell. He wouldn't sell one to the gay couple. I'm heterosexual and he wouldn't sell one to me if I tried to buy one for a gay wedding. If that gay couple came into his shop and wanted to buy a wedding cake the wedding of some heterosexual friends of theirs, the baker would be more than willing to fill that order.
It doesn't matter who is buying the cake he is refusing the service on the grounds that it is for gay people, that is the definition of discrimination. It is the same discrimination as refusing to sell someone a cake because it's for a Black wedding, even if the person ordering the cake was white. It is clear cut discrimination I don't know why your having such a hard time with this, the question isn't even if it's discrimination the question is should a business owner have the right to discriminate.
(June 5, 2018 at 10:42 pm)johan Wrote: Which goes back to a point I already covered. The baker was willing to sell them other items. The baker does not want to do wedding cakes for gay weddings. Its not an item he wants to sell. He wouldn't sell one to the gay couple. I'm heterosexual and he wouldn't sell one to me if I tried to buy one for a gay wedding. If that gay couple came into his shop and wanted to buy a wedding cake the wedding of some heterosexual friends of theirs, the baker would be more than willing to fill that order.No, because under discrimination laws a business owner can refuse service as long as they can show good reason for the refusal. So if you refused to do business with westboro baptist church because they are a hate group then you can do that. But if you refused service to christians then it would be considered discrimination under the law.
Lets go back to the sign maker. He makes signs. Someone from the Whitesboro Baptist Church comes in and wants him to make a sign that says God Hates Fags. Should there be a law forcing the sign maker to produce that particular sign just because he produces other signs for other groups? Lets take it further. Lets say the Whitesboro Baptists come in and they don't want him to make their God Hates Fags signs because they take great pride in making those signs themselves. But lets say they want the sign maker to make them some exit signs and some men's/women's room signs for their little church of hate. And again, the sign maker refuses. The sign maker makes those exact signs for other customers. But he doesn't want to make them for members of this particular church. Should there be a law forcing the sign maker to do so. I don't think there should, but that's exactly what some here are arguing for.
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