Me, cyborg...

[pocaracas]

I'm starting to think we are referring to different things when we say "free". Free should mean independent of any constraints Our will, our decision making algorithm, like you called it, does seem to have a strong dependence upon those things you mentioned. It also works within our brains that should adhere to standard describable and predictable biophysics, even if our human brains are way too complex for us to monitor one in full to accurately claim that some thought occurred in such and such way.


There you go again... your choices are not truly free, are they?
And I think that, before anyone can make such a chip, we'll have to understand how the brain actually works.
On the other hand, it is remarkably easy to induce certain sensations that then induce certain behaviors...



Totally agree.


Of course, if the conditions were different, the decision becomes unknown and possibly different...
But the question claims that everything is the same, your lifetime is the same, everything around you is the same, you are the same. Would your decision be any different?

I guess what I'm saying is that, while we think we make choices, from the pool of available behaviors at any given moment, all our background, mental, memorial, physical, genetic, etc will be what actually drives our decision making process and there is nothing, no mechanism by which can come to a decision that defies that.

Poca,maybe we could explore this in more detail over the ice-cream(because you don't drink coffee), huh?  
That's why I'm talking about the assumption ... we assume that it's free, because of course we know that there are certain limitations, as in the world of physics and life there is ... friction, rubbing and once more rubbing ....

Yeah.... I know what rubbing you mean... while having some ice cream...

So in a sense, we have free will by rejecting these restrictions because we can decide for ourselves. It's known that if we focus on every living cell, we can immediately say that we're enslaved and we have nothing to talk about. A free man doesn't exist ...But on the level of human nature, our primitive thinking and our daily choices, we can assume peacefully that we have free will ...And I do not know why everyone assumes that free will is closely related to faith ... Anyway, each of us has a free will at the level of everyday choices, because we can decide for ourselves, we can even act against the law, against the family, against the whole world ... can we? We can! ...and this is the assumption that we have free will., but at the cellular level, of course, there is no such thing as free will, no will at all ...

That is what is usually referred to as the illusion of free will. I'm glad you accept it.

So if everything is the same, my lifetime is the same, everything around me is the same, i'm the same....Would my decision be any different? Could be... I was thinking about a different solution ... But it's more likely that my choice would be the same, because the influence on me then had the family it means external factors and deprived me of my free choices.  

Sad, but true.