Can God love?

[possibletarian]

Odin and Thor are non-existent so why would you feel loved by them. I'm not stupid

That's exactly the same reason that i don't feel unloved by your god, it was your claim that atheists felt unloved (by your god), I was merely pointing out to you how silly that was.

I know that this is a conversation about if God exists as far as the atheist are concerned. You do not know what might be going through her mind/heart now do you. As far as God being non-existent, you have yet to establish such a claim. 

Then why have labels at all ? If you are going to say they mean nothing because a particular person may be having other thoughts at any particular time.
And I don't need to prove that god is non existent, just like you have not proven Odin or Thor do not exist, even when given a whole thread to do so by Mathilda using your own logic.  You are making the positive claim, you provide the proof.

man has put himself outside of God's presence and it has to be man's choice to return and God has given us a way to do just that, if you do not accept it that is your fault not God's.

Again you simply repeat the mantra  .. you need to do this or that , and it's your fault.

There is no if, either you accept or you do not, it's all up to you. Look at the bold if by me, I us that word to make the statement more acceptable to atheist, but I fixed it and it still reads the same. You reject God that is your fault and a terrible fault it will be, see no if.

That is an 'if' (i.e. you need to do this or that) another it's your fault, sprinkled with a hint of threat, like father like son hey

What makes you believe God can simply forgive sin, because you say so, not hardly.

Why can't god a god who can  do anything simply forgive, have you even thought it through ?

Sin will only be forgiven for those who have remorse over their sin and to do so one must understand what sin is and I've yet to speak to an atheist who knows why sin is sin. By the way what God did is your only hope for eternal life, other wise it will be eternal punishment.

And here we go again, an 'if' you do this or that, followed by a 'you don't understand' , maybe you could open a thread about sin telling us what we don't understand ?  And of course the inevitable (but entirely predictable) threat of eternal punishment.

Because man placed a barrier between himself and God don't you think that it's man's responsibility

And what father allows that barrier to stand ?

Now your just being childish, there's no if to it and it was a question to be answered by the one I posted to, not for a nosy busy body to come along and defect from the discussion.

Great so I don't have to do anything then, god will simply forgive me

we have no way to make things right between ourselves and our Creator, so God through His undivided love made a way possible for us and if you refuse this gift it's your loss.

Whoaa hang on, if fact there is an 'if' I have to do something... followed of course by threats (there is definitely a pattern to your writing)

Same as above the bold if by me. leaving out the if doesn't change the fact and it makes it sound as if there is no hope. Why did you jump into this conversation anyway, nothing better to do that to show your ignorance of God would be my guess.

Ermm okay, though in my defence it's hard to have knowledge about a god that is the same as no god.

acceptance of Christ will open up to you a new world.

Ahh another 'if' you do this or that' .. no death threats this time, well done.

More childishness and you use if more than I do, but you do it to be derogatory, I place it to show hope, a hope you seem to be careless in handling. By the way that is a positive statement I made, no if to it child, acceptance of Christ will open up to you a new world, in many ways. So far you have completely miss out on what this conversation was about, and I remember she said to Drich to stay on track, which you certainly haven't accomplished at all.

Shakes head, we are talking about how god can't love right ? just showing you that merely proclaiming it in the face of threats is not love.  

You are not trying to find God nor His love and you want God to bow down to what you want,

Well like most ex-christians on this board, we experienced what at the time we thought was god's mysterious, unfathomable, unexplainable  love, but alas it just turned out to be brainwashing. The feeling is though speaking to people of other faiths and religious practices is not limited to christianity, it's all in the head.

The pattern you believe you see exists only in your childish mind.

No I'm pretty sure you have very definite pattern along the lines of ..  

1) if you do this or that  
2) it's your fault
3) you are going to suffer terribly

The real pattern here is you can do nothing other than be derogatory about a conversation that wasn't even directed at you, nosy.

It's an open forum silly, i mean really you do know anyone can read or respond in the open section ?

No that statement is a positive one and true at that. You have no real argument about this conversation only foolish child like nonsense.

Okay Mr believer in talking donkeys, Flying chariots, Talking serpents, men living in mammals for three days.. got ya

That was implied, sorry you are so carried away with your degradation that you are blind to what's being said, but then that would be your fault. Again I eliminated the if and the statement is the same. The if is to make a kinder feeling. You can't understand such a concept though because all you know how to do is blindly follow your ifs.

Then if it was implied, why compare it to god's supposed love ?  The lady in question would have no doubt that..

1) You existed
2) That you loved her by showing a display of that love

One would have thought that if god truly loves and is capable of love, that he would show that love in a clear way, in no way is it comparable, unless of course you court this lady by being invisible,  untouchable, unfathomable, and give death threats is she does not love you back. Then toss in eternal torment as an aside.

How is it you can define what God's love is and does, you've never wanted it,

I'm not trying to define it at all, that's the point, gods love simply does not exists it's a man made construct. The unfathomable, spiritual, and you have to believe it's true before it's true, is simply a way of trying to explain why a god who can do anything, is love.. is exactly the same as no god at all.

I did not say it was her fault, I said she doesn't want something that has been offered, please try and understand an entire conversation before you blatantly try to derail the conversation, a trick of children. Again you have not established God doesn't exist or that He is a fantasy. Because you are blind to the existence of God doesn't mean He isn't real and waiting on you to respond to the love He has already given you.

Yes but again in your example she knows you exists, in fact you have made that blatantly obvious, and you have made your love clear in an understandable way.  I doubt she would be as understanding if you had your brutally murdered your son and then claimed you loved her, and tossed in eternal torment as the alternative.

I've accepted it, you bold the answer why couldn't you see it, shame, shame second grade understanding that is.
No when one believes they know. More ifs from you, only in a derogatory way.
No if in that statement, you are so if crazy you are seeing things, help may be in order for you. It is a completely positive statement and has a result in choice one way or the other and there is no if about it.

What's with this positive statement thing ? Sure (in theology) we have to make a choice but isn't that an 'if' we make a choice i.e.: 'If' we do this or that.  In other words god's love is never realised unless we (who cannot do anything) actually do something ?
So it's conditional there is no other way to dress it up.

You seem to have left out the more important part of my statement, any reason why other than you have no argument against it. Again no if in that positive statement, it is a fact one you seem oblivious to, that could be a dreadful thing .

And yet again the threats !

I'm speaking of the present and you have jumped to a future possibility,

And yet you bring it up all the time (hell)

why, my guess to derail the conversation or show how foolish you are about God.

Yes like I'm foolish about Thor and Odin.

By the way when arguing against what God says please use the correct terminology. No where in the scriptures is hell described as torture, that is your incorrect interpretation of what hell is.

So if I were to create a place to throw someone (god forbid) into a blazing furnace, a place where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.
and  tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night,

That does not cut it as torture for you ?

if you had a brain and if you could then possibly come to understand what the whole conversation was aboutAhh the insults and accusations
you might be able to have a conversation that consists of something other than if, you whole idea of the conversation is iffy at best. That should be enough ifs to last you a few days.

Deja vu   

I did not start my post with such a misunderstanding, you wanted to read it that way and that is what you got, you have no idea what the conversation was about, you cared only about nonexistent if that you wanted to pertain to conditions and not one of those if were conditional. It's one way or the other with no ifs involved. Me repeating a mantra, your the one obsessed with the if and one that only existed in your mind not my conversation with another. Your whole purpose is to derail a conversation because you did not like what you read, something that wasn't intended for you in the first place. Christians who care will not sugar coat reality, that would be dishonest. So in being honest we are showing our love, do you really believe I would have stayed here this long and not care about those I speak to, unlike you who speaks at people I speak to them, giving them reason to consider. I have no control over what they decide nor the finial destination, that's between them and God, I can only tell people what the Bible says, you know the Word of God.

Yes we know you repeat what you believe scripture to say, your regurgitation of your theology and scripture (which as many different sects of christianty would show) is not the same thing at all, I'm willing to grant that you believe because you believe, I'm really asking why we should?
 

 I have been honest and made good points from a reasonable position about God's love for a person who has questioned that love, you never addressed the theme of the conversation and did your best to eliminate the real subject with all your ifs. Your blindness of the scriptures and Jesus may cost you in the future, this is no threat, only you can pay the cost of rejection, for me Christ has already payed my price and I praise Him for that.

And again *bold mine* the non threat threat !, it's become so ingrained in you that you don't even realise that you are doing it.
I believe that you believe you are being honest, I don't have a problem believing that you believe, any more than I doubt a Muslim, J.W. Buddhist..... etc also believes.   I'm asking for a good reason for me to believe.