RE: The name of God thread.
June 25, 2018 at 5:11 pm
(This post was last modified: June 25, 2018 at 5:12 pm by Mystic.)
(June 25, 2018 at 1:56 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:(June 25, 2018 at 1:40 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Reasoning is eternal, and Quran being perfect reasoning and from God through reasoning can be attested to be from God.
I will explain this to you once more. If you want non-believers to accept the claims of the Quran, then you must provide external corroborating evidence that these claims are true. That means you cannot use the Quran to prove the truth of the Quran’s claims. If you attempt to do so, you are engaging in a question begging fallacy.
Also, there is no such thing as Quran reasoning; there is simply reasoning, either good or bad, and believing in a book of supernatural stories about a god without any external corroborating evidence which supports the truth of its claims is a bad reason.
The Quranic reasoning is of many levels, it applies to all humans, so they can all benefit. That is the proof of it ultimately, that it's endless in knowledge and guidance, but you have to keep replacing one level of knowledge of it with a whole new level to see it, multiple times.
And there is levels of perceptions it gives.
Human reasoning cannot create a book like the Quran but human reason can appreciate to be from God.
(June 25, 2018 at 5:09 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:(June 25, 2018 at 5:00 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: You really are trying hard to confuse yourself and others... but anyone with a sense of reason would see I have proven God's existence, and you won't even let me continue in this thread without yapping non-sense, so that I can prove the Quran to be from God and show through reasoning why.
And, in order to do that you would have to cite sources external to the Quran, which you already admitted you cannot do. You have no evidence that the Quran is the word of god, because the Quran cannot logically be evidence for its self. That is begging the question, as I aleady pointed out to you. If you can’t bring something else to the table besides the book you’re trying prove then the amount of evidence you have for the truth of that book is exactly zero. And you wonder why you haven’t persuaded anyone yet?
The proof of God and the reminder of God reminds of God properly. I already said reasoning is needed coupled with Quran. Quran claiming to be from God is not enough, but with reasoning, Quran can be seen to be from God.
Why do you keep trying to straw man?
