RE: Atheism
June 26, 2018 at 5:35 pm
(This post was last modified: June 26, 2018 at 5:45 pm by SteveII.)
(June 26, 2018 at 4:30 pm)Kit Wrote:(June 26, 2018 at 12:14 pm)SteveII Wrote: This is great. Kit actually found a meme about atheism that contradicts itself in just 12 words.
Reject = dismiss as inadequate
Considering the evidence of anything and dismissing it as inadequate for a conclusion is itself an assertion.
In no way does it contradict itself.
Correct, atheism rejects theism because atheism dismisses theism as inadequate, because theism has yet to succeed in proving any of its assertions. (1)
If there was any real evidence upon which theism could lean, only then would the meme be an assertion.(2)
Yes it does. Two points about your comments.
1. You have set a threshold for proof. That itself is a belief about where that threshold should be as evidenced by the the fact that billions upon billions of people that have set that threshold somewhere else. So right there you have one belief (claim) that can be scrutinized.
2. You care confusing the definitions of evidence and proof. Evidence refers to pieces of information or facts that help us establish the truth of something. Proof is a conclusion about the truth of something after analyzing the evidence. Evidence is suggestive of a conclusion. Proof is concrete and conclusive. It is a false statement to say there is no evidence for God. If there is evidence, then your meme is an assertion.
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(June 26, 2018 at 2:22 pm)SteveII Wrote: The position that there is no evidence for God is nonsense and those that make it are confusing the definition of evidence and proof.
Evidence refers to pieces of information or facts that help us establish the truth of something. Proof is a conclusion about the truth of something after analyzing the evidence. Evidence is suggestive of a conclusion. Proof ranges from probabilistic to conclusive.
Are you saying there are no "pieces of information or facts" that are available to analyze on the proposition: God exists?
If there was sufficient evidence for the existence of god, there would be no need for atheism, but of course you prefer to use an apologetic blame wrapped in semantics to cover the fact that theists are prone to boldly misusing dictionary definitions to suit their theistic needs.
There is, in fact, absolutely no "pieces of information or facts" available to prove the existence of god.
I know word definitions are tough and being precise is overrated.
No pieces of information huh? What about the NT? What about the experiences of billions of people? That is not information or those people are wrong? To say yes is a HUGE claim--a claim to knowledge for which you don't have any basis besides ASSERTIONS--which you meme said you don't make. Hmm...
Go ahead, tell me why these don't count as "pieces of information or facts" and I will show you how your answer is question-begging.
(June 26, 2018 at 5:22 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:Quote:You are completely wrong and believing that is what is going on is nonsense. If there are facts or information to be considered, there is no longer an assertion being made. At its base, evidence is a positive epistemic consideration. You have made a judgement as to what those facts and information support. You have a belief as to their conclusions.Nope because their isn't facts or information merely assertion saying that it is . And yes your making positive claims that have no fact or information they are hollow and no i have made no judgement none acceptance is not a judgement . Nor is it a belief only a lack of belief in the non information and non facts presented. So your ploy has again failed .
FYI rejection can be a passive state rather then a willful judgement
Wow. So you argument is basically
1. The NT, the early church, the personal experiences of billions of people is not information or facts because I failed to believe they are information or facts.
that's it. There is no #2.
I think question-begging would be a step up from that.