(September 25, 2008 at 11:56 pm)infidel666 Wrote:(September 25, 2008 at 10:45 am)starbucks Wrote: Anyways, very philosophical stuff we're delving into here.
I think it is philosphy and not science, really. This math looks like logic mathto me, like it is realted to discrete mathematics. And the ideas of "sufficeint cause" instead of "necessary cause" still proposes that something must exist as a suffieiceint casue of the next thing, and whether that thing actually manifests is a just a probability. But it would still require something to be around as a condition precedent.
So we get back to the same old observation that SOMETHING must have spontaneously existed at least initially.
Creationists like to think that God exists outside of time and space and so it eliminates the need for that spontaneous thing to exist. But it is so illogical to me. That's just another way of saying he spontaneously exists. But it makes more sense to me to presume that we spontaneously exist, and the need to believe in a creator is a primitive reaction.
But at the same time do you ever wonder that IF indeed it is just a reaction to want to believe in a god, why?
If something DOESN'T exist, how would our mind even know to think of it? Unless it revealed itself to us be it directly/indirectly so that we may start thinking about it.
I'm not going to say that people haven't embellished God because I feel many have. And maybe that's the discrepancy that has caused all this uproar.
If I told you that God is a source that moves through everything you know as reality, it may be more acceptable than to ascribe superhuman characteristics that appear beyond absurd. But is it absurd or just outside of our human comprehension?
Anyways, when I debate about "imagination" I'm reluctant to say that we humans create from nothing. Our imagination is still reflective of something that actually exists (or I should say "known"). The "unknown" does not mean it doesn't exist, just that it has yet to be discovered "known".
Having said thus, the existence of God is a possibility but certainly NOT in the way that some humans have been describing it.
