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Religion shouldn't be called a race.
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RE: Religion shouldn't be called a race.
(July 4, 2018 at 11:06 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(July 4, 2018 at 10:58 am)Brian37 Wrote: No, there are social traditions associated to geography yes. But again, our species has always moved around and mixed. And it is possible, just like with Christianity to be spread out and of different skin tones, and belong to the same religion. It is also possible to say to oneself "I no longer buy what my parents/society sold me" regardless of skin tone or geography.

Religion is religion, geography is geography. None of either change the fact that social norms and borders change over time and humans mix. I do not give any religion in the world a pass on this. 

There are Irish and black Catholics and their are Irish atheists. Their are atheist Israelis and Muslim Israelis. There are also Chinese Christians too.

http://www.christiansinchina.com/

And there are Chinese Muslims too.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_China

Geography only denotes geography, and while some social norms are majorities, it still remains humans have always moved and mixed.

That doesn't answer the objection.  That there are exceptions does not refute the case that there are also valid generalities.  Since the correlations I was noting were to race and ethnicity, your claim that they do not correlate to geography is simply beside the point.

If you accept the age of our species, which is FAR OLDER than any artificial border, and you accept our species is far older than any written religion, and you accept we have always migrated, then I do not understand what your objection is.

A majority existing geographically does not mean our species is static. If our species always stayed in their social norms, our species never would have changed, but we have.

Religions are only religions, and while we need to see the differences for diplomacy sake, we cannot ignore that there are older ancestors that moved long before one's claimed traditions, borders. 

Just like we say rightfully that there were humans in America prior to Europeans invading it, there is not one country that did not arise out of nothing. Migration has happened and mixing has happened throughout our species history.

Italian is a geography not a religion. American is a geography not a religion. Just like atheist is not a religion, or a nationality.

It is only valid to value human rights, it is not valid to always accept social norms just because. 

If you think all Jews agree on everything 100% of the time, you'd be wrong.

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium...-1.6167773

(July 4, 2018 at 11:09 am)Joods Wrote:
(July 4, 2018 at 10:58 am)Brian37 Wrote: Angry? Again how? Angry that I see alot of good in my fellow humans and still we are divided by artificial constructs? Yea and?

It was merely a comment,  but your reaction to it speaks mounds.

Way to focus on my finger while I am pointing at the moon.

This is the second comment in this thread where you seem to be wanting to paint me as equal to what I am objecting against.

No it was not just a comment. You didn't like me aiming my criticism at my fellow liberals. 

Does racism and bigotry exist? YES, both of us should agree on that.

Do people reside over long periods with like minded others? YES.

But those social norms are not the Adenine, Guanine, Thymine, or Cytosine all humans have consisted of prior to our artificial borders or human invented religions. 

If Christian were a race, then all Christians would be white like me. If Christian were a nationality, then how is it I can leave my former religion? If Christian were a skin tone then why do black atheists exist in America? And where does that leave Native Americans who were here prior to European Christians?

Israel certainly has for a long time been a geography associated with Jews, just like Palestine is associated with Muslims. But prior to either existing, just like Native Americans existed before our current Christian majority, there were others that existed prior.

Jew is a religion so is Christian and Buddhism and Hinduism and Islam. Humans cant help what their skin tone is nor can they pick where they were born. But we can change our positions and we do migrate and mix.
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Messages In This Thread
Religion shouldn't be called a race. - by Brian37 - July 4, 2018 at 9:10 am
RE: Religion shouldn't be called a race. - by Brian37 - July 4, 2018 at 10:37 am
RE: Religion shouldn't be called a race. - by Angrboda - July 4, 2018 at 10:15 am
RE: Religion shouldn't be called a race. - by Brian37 - July 4, 2018 at 10:58 am
RE: Religion shouldn't be called a race. - by Angrboda - July 4, 2018 at 11:06 am
RE: Religion shouldn't be called a race. - by Brian37 - July 4, 2018 at 11:25 am
RE: Religion shouldn't be called a race. - by Joods - July 4, 2018 at 11:09 am
RE: Religion shouldn't be called a race. - by Brian37 - July 4, 2018 at 1:23 pm
RE: Religion shouldn't be called a race. - by Angrboda - July 4, 2018 at 3:14 pm
RE: Religion shouldn't be called a race. - by Joods - July 4, 2018 at 10:37 am
RE: Religion shouldn't be called a race. - by Brian37 - July 4, 2018 at 12:46 pm
RE: Religion shouldn't be called a race. - by brewer - July 4, 2018 at 12:47 pm
RE: Religion shouldn't be called a race. - by Aegon - July 4, 2018 at 1:13 pm

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