RE: Atheism
July 5, 2018 at 12:03 pm
(This post was last modified: July 5, 2018 at 12:21 pm by SteveII.)
(July 4, 2018 at 11:40 am)Crossless2.0 Wrote: Aside from your claim that Christians 'really' encounter the Holy Spirit (as opposed to interpreting their experiences through a NT lens), I don't see where you provided Simon Moon's friend any reason to doubt his experience of Krishna or whatever. "You don't need to meditate or perform any particular discipline (or concern yourself with strict observance of the Law, in Paul's view)" is a good marketing gimmick, but it makes for a lousy measure if we're concerned about the truth or falsehood of one's interpretation of experience.
The doubt of Simon's friend should arise from the overall worldview.
1. Is Hinduism theology internally consistent?
2. Does it have a coherent understanding of reality?
3. Is there some sort of body of natural theology that support the tenent of the faith?
4. Are the facts of Krishna's life believable (as a god)? (demons, killing, war, wives, children, died of an arrow wound)
In ALL cases, religion has to be a cumulative case.
(July 5, 2018 at 11:17 am)Mathilda Wrote:(July 5, 2018 at 10:54 am)SteveII Wrote: Pay attention. The claim was that the type of religious experiences were largely determined by CULTURE. A defeater for that is any large conversion of people from another culture. I have such a defeater: CHINA.
But you can still immerse yourself in Xtian culture in China in the same way that you could immerse yourself in a Hindu or Muslim culture in say Scotland if you wanted.
What you haven't shown is that people immersed in one culture with no exposure to Xtian imagery are having religious experiences consistent with the Xtian mythos.
Classic example of moving the goal post: Now the premise seems to be that you need people who becomes Christians without knowing anything about Christianity. Forget the pages of claims of cultural influence.