(July 11, 2018 at 1:36 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:(July 11, 2018 at 12:31 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Translation: la la la la.... I can’t hear you in my echo chamber.
If you don’t want to be reasonable, or listen to others views, that’s one thing. But attacking someone’s character for no reason only weakens your position.
No, the real translation is,
"we've all heard every bit of what is offered as evidence, every fallacious philosophical argument (cosmological, teleological, ontological, TAG, etc), endless claims of personal experience and every claim that all we have to do is "hit our knees and ask Jesus to enter our hearts".
So, it is very easy to know, within just a few minutes of listening to an apologist video, that they are not going to offer anything new. They ALL do nothing more than reword the same old centuries old failed arguments.
Do you really think that Wallace has some rewording of the same old flawed arguments that will finally convince us?
I don't know... and neither do you if you don't listen to it. Maybe something will be presented in a new way that will resonate. As I said, it's one thing, if you don't want to listen or discuss; or if you have a disagreement with something specific. It's another to just attack a persons character, without even hearing them out.
I don't think that most atheists disagree with Christianity for rational reasons, and many may mention critical thinking, much more than they practice it; but I'm will to discuss an idea. Perhaps I have a misunderstanding, or will learn something. Or we can all just stay in our perspective echo chambers. I also find that most of the things people call fallacious (such as the kalam cosmological argument) is full of bad thinking. And when given reason for why it is bad logic; atheists fall back to name calling and attacking the person. Would you like me to judge you based on past experience, or should I be at least willing to hear you out?
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther