(July 11, 2018 at 1:50 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(July 11, 2018 at 1:36 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: No, the real translation is,
"we've all heard every bit of what is offered as evidence, every fallacious philosophical argument (cosmological, teleological, ontological, TAG, etc), endless claims of personal experience and every claim that all we have to do is "hit our knees and ask Jesus to enter our hearts".
So, it is very easy to know, within just a few minutes of listening to an apologist video, that they are not going to offer anything new. They ALL do nothing more than reword the same old centuries old failed arguments.
Do you really think that Wallace has some rewording of the same old flawed arguments that will finally convince us?
I don't know... and neither do you if you don't listen to it. Maybe something will be presented in a new way that will resonate. As I said, it's one thing, if you don't want to listen or discuss; or if you have a disagreement with something specific. It's another to just attack a persons character, without even hearing them out.
I don't think that most atheists disagree with Christianity for rational reasons, and many may mention critical thinking, much more than they practice it; but I'm will to discuss an idea. Perhaps I have a misunderstanding, or will learn something. Or we can all just stay in our perspective echo chambers. I also find that most of the things people call fallacious (such as the kalam cosmological argument) is full of bad thinking. And when given reason for why it is bad logic; atheists fall back to name calling and attacking the person. Would you like me to judge you based on past experience, or should I be at least willing to hear you out?
FFS, I can't stand it when someone upchucks the 'conversion by YouTube' strategy where I'm supposed to watch something just in case it might change my mind. It's not my job to do all the work of changing my mind. I know it's very convenient to sales people when they can get someone to research their product themselves, but if you can't convey the essential points of what you're trying to sell in your own words, I'm not going to bother.
Not watching your YouTube links is not 'not hearing you out'. Reading your posts is hearing you out. Anything else is homework, which I have utterly no obligation to undertake.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.