(July 24, 2018 at 7:30 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(July 24, 2018 at 5:10 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: So, what if we used the term "non believer" in place of atheism?*emphasis mine*
Does that now mean the position of disbelieving in theist's claims that gods exist, is no longer an ideology? I eliminated the 'ism', so that must mean that my disbelief in gods is no longer a system or an ideology, right?
I am glad we can finally agree on something.
You are too hung up on the word, and not paying attention to our actual positions.
Or you could just use the word atheist...
Just as you would file a theistic religion under theism, you'd file an atheist religion under atheism.
Take 'Sunday Assembly' for example, a religious organization of atheists that claim to be like a church without the 'God bit".
https://www.sundayassembly.com/
Quote:This is a notice that I am quitting the work that I was doing day-to-day and using my time as CEO (I’m not going anywhere!) to do the thing that is needed more than ever – devoting as much of my energies as possible to spreading the word of what Sunday Assembly does
Would you not file a godless church under atheism, the same way you'd file a god worshiping church under theism?
I have no problem using the the word 'atheism' until people like you misrepresent the atheist position as an ideology.
That's why I substituted 'non believer' to remove the ideology connotation you mistakenly have about the atheist position.
The fact that some atheists might miss the weekly communal gatherings of their churches, still does not make atheism a religion. All it means is those people enjoy weekly communal gatherings.
Here it is again, my atheism is a single position on a single claim. Theists claim gods exist, I have weighed the evidence and arguments presented, and have found the case does not meet its burden of proof. This is the only thing that defines me as an atheist. My atheism is not even a worldview, let alone an ideology or a religion.
My atheism is not a dogmatic position, it is a provisional one. I will remain an atheist (non believer in the god claims) until the time theists are able to present a case that meets its burden of proof.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.