Pardon my interjection,
I have told a room full of evangelicals that their beliefs and statement of faith was unbiblical and inconsistent. In true Christian format we discussed it, practiced patience and understanding. Some changed their opinion on the matter, others couldn't see anything other than the 2 verses they cherry-picked. Denial of one verse while accepting another is, IMO, just as bad as only reading the verses that agree with your view. It's not my understanding that throwing away reason and denial of presented evidence is consistent with Biblical teaching. Some people just don't like to question what they've established is their version of right.
Back to the point; while YEC may be particularly prevalent in certain geographical areas, generally, from my experience (from speaking with missionaries, pastors and believers all over the world) it is a minority view. Probably because it denies physical evidence and logic. YEC focuses more on denying scientific evidence than Biblical exegesis, hence I support the claim that YEC is in a minority view of what is Biblically accepted by most of Christendom.
In Exodus/ Deut. God doesn't say killing is bad. I completely agree that if he did it would be a contradiction. Look up the Hebrew ratsach. You'll find that while the less thorough translations might say kill, the original text is about murder, ie. unjustified killing. I know of no stories in the Bible where death was ordered without cause. Yes, even the killing of children.
Note for next point.. take note of your last sentence in that quote...
I couldn’t get to the second link but I'll take your comment
"The only way to get a child to be obedient to the laws of god is to beat it into them."
I disagree, I don't beat.. or even spank my children and they know very well what's right from wrong, have a well developed conscious and my oldest chooses to learn more about what God's will is for him. If you're going to state it, please support it, because I feel it's a ludicrous statement.
" I recently discovered that Christians are responsible for the majority of abortions worldwide. This would suggest that not enough parents are beating their children, possibly? "Or would it suggest that perhaps Christians (or at least those claiming it) are also a majority of the people. Your statistical analysis is severely flawed. Whatever your statistics, the vast majority of Christiandom feel/ teach that abortion is against God's law. Therefore if people are having abortion, they're not following typical Christian doctrine, ergo not in mainline Christianity.
Please read the entire Bible and realize that context is a part of reading comprehension.
(September 16, 2011 at 3:08 am)aleialoura Wrote:
I have told a room full of evangelicals that their beliefs and statement of faith was unbiblical and inconsistent. In true Christian format we discussed it, practiced patience and understanding. Some changed their opinion on the matter, others couldn't see anything other than the 2 verses they cherry-picked. Denial of one verse while accepting another is, IMO, just as bad as only reading the verses that agree with your view. It's not my understanding that throwing away reason and denial of presented evidence is consistent with Biblical teaching. Some people just don't like to question what they've established is their version of right.
Back to the point; while YEC may be particularly prevalent in certain geographical areas, generally, from my experience (from speaking with missionaries, pastors and believers all over the world) it is a minority view. Probably because it denies physical evidence and logic. YEC focuses more on denying scientific evidence than Biblical exegesis, hence I support the claim that YEC is in a minority view of what is Biblically accepted by most of Christendom.
(September 16, 2011 at 12:35 am)aleialoura Wrote:I also feel it's a waste of energy to rebut everything you feel is hypocritical because your view of Christianity does come off as strongly biased in the negative. Whatever apologetics I give will probably be chalked up to mental acrobatics or something. I will however still address this point.
In Exodus/ Deut. God doesn't say killing is bad. I completely agree that if he did it would be a contradiction. Look up the Hebrew ratsach. You'll find that while the less thorough translations might say kill, the original text is about murder, ie. unjustified killing. I know of no stories in the Bible where death was ordered without cause. Yes, even the killing of children.
Note for next point.. take note of your last sentence in that quote...
(September 16, 2011 at 12:35 am)aleialoura Wrote:... First example is clearly listing verses without context, independent of their surrounding text, with no understanding of their place in the text.. and you hate cherry picking... ok next point
I couldn’t get to the second link but I'll take your comment
"The only way to get a child to be obedient to the laws of god is to beat it into them."
I disagree, I don't beat.. or even spank my children and they know very well what's right from wrong, have a well developed conscious and my oldest chooses to learn more about what God's will is for him. If you're going to state it, please support it, because I feel it's a ludicrous statement.
" I recently discovered that Christians are responsible for the majority of abortions worldwide. This would suggest that not enough parents are beating their children, possibly? "Or would it suggest that perhaps Christians (or at least those claiming it) are also a majority of the people. Your statistical analysis is severely flawed. Whatever your statistics, the vast majority of Christiandom feel/ teach that abortion is against God's law. Therefore if people are having abortion, they're not following typical Christian doctrine, ergo not in mainline Christianity.
(September 16, 2011 at 12:35 am)aleialoura Wrote:
Please read the entire Bible and realize that context is a part of reading comprehension.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
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