@negatio. At this point I think I'd just like to 
this thread... as in read but not contribute... for two reasons really; 1) I'm just about to start playing a mafia game either today or tomorrow, which will be taking up all my mental energy, and 2) I do have difficulty understanding things, I admit that, and when it comes to these sorts of things, I tend to get things conflated and end up talking and thinking at a different level of description than everyone else, similar to what you've just said about your argument compared to Jörmungandr's. So some people might be talking about plain logic, but where I'm hung up on a much lower level of description, say neurons. Anyway, so just saying I'm backing out now, and will just follow the progress of the argument with Jorm and Khemikal and others from the sidelines, until it hopefully makes sense at some point, and maybe come back in at some later point in the future. But nice to meet you, and well done getting the hang of quoting 
this thread... as in read but not contribute... for two reasons really; 1) I'm just about to start playing a mafia game either today or tomorrow, which will be taking up all my mental energy, and 2) I do have difficulty understanding things, I admit that, and when it comes to these sorts of things, I tend to get things conflated and end up talking and thinking at a different level of description than everyone else, similar to what you've just said about your argument compared to Jörmungandr's. So some people might be talking about plain logic, but where I'm hung up on a much lower level of description, say neurons. Anyway, so just saying I'm backing out now, and will just follow the progress of the argument with Jorm and Khemikal and others from the sidelines, until it hopefully makes sense at some point, and maybe come back in at some later point in the future. But nice to meet you, and well done getting the hang of quoting
