For the record...

[Liu Bei mixed with Leondias]

Is the pope infallable 'because he says so'

or is there some kind of proof available to prove that the paedophile helper and ex-nazi is the arbiter of morality on the planet?

The concept goes back for centuries,and was a de facto doctrine for centuries. The doctrine was only made dogma by the First Vatican council,in 1870..

The term only refers to when the pope pronounces 'ex-cathedra', literally "from the seat [of St Peter]".There is only one case in which the ' power' was used since it became dogma; 1950,by Pius X11 and his declaration of the assumption of Mary as dogma. IE Her bodily ascension into heaven. (really)


Catholics claim the scripture cited below imparts papal infallibility. NO OTHER Christian Church agrees,including the Orthodox churches..

Argument from incredulity I know,but I have trouble understanding how any rational person could believe that drivel;especially looking at the corrupt, reactionary old fool currently in the Vatican.



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Middle Ages

In the Middle Ages and the Renaissance the doctrine of papal infallibility first developed.

The first theologian to systematically discuss the infallibility of ecumenical councils was Theodore Abu-Qurrah in the 9th century.

In the year 1075, Pope Gregory VII asserted 27 statements regarding the powers of the papacy in Dictatus Papae: "22. That the Roman church has never erred; nor will it err to all eternity, the Scripture bearing witness."

Several medieval theologians discussed the infallibility of the pope when defining matters of faith and morals, including Thomas Aquinas and John Peter Olivi. In 1330, the Carmelite bishop Guido Terreni described the pope’s use of the charism of infallibility in terms very similar to those that would be used at Vatican I.Middle Ages

In the Middle Ages and the Renaissance the doctrine of papal infallibility first developed.

The first theologian to systematically discuss the infallibility of ecumenical councils was Theodore Abu-Qurrah in the 9th century.

In the year 1075, Pope Gregory VII asserted 27 statements regarding the powers of the papacy in Dictatus Papae: "22. That the Roman church has never erred; nor will it err to all eternity, the Scripture bearing witness."

Several medieval theologians discussed the infallibility of the pope when defining matters of faith and morals, including Thomas Aquinas and John Peter Olivi. In 1330, the Carmelite bishop Guido Terreni described the pope’s use of the charism of infallibility in terms very similar to those that would be used at Vatican I.

Scriptural support for the primacy of Peter

Believers of the Catholic doctrine claim that their position is historically traceable[13] to Scripture:

John 1:42, Mark 3:16 ("And to Simon he gave the name "Peter", "Cephas", or "Rock")
Matthew 16:18 ("thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it"; cf. Matthew 7:24-28, (the house built on rock)
Luke 10:16 ("He that heareth you, heareth me; and he that despiseth you, despiseth me; and he that despiseth me, despiseth him that sent me.")
Acts 15:28 ("For it hath seemed good to the Holy Ghost and to us, ...") ("the Apostles speak with voice of Holy Ghost")
Matthew 10:2 ("And the names of the twelve apostles are these: The first, Simon who is called Peter,...") (Peter is first.)
Catholic theologian Ludwig Ott points out[citation needed] several Scriptures which he believes show that the Apostle Peter was given a primary role with respect to the other Apostles: Mark 5:37, Matthew 17:1, Matthew 26:37, Luke 5:3, Matthew 17:27, Luke 22:32, Luke 24:34, and 1 Corinthians 15:5 (Fund., Bk. IV, Pt. 2, Ch. 2, §5).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility

^ That. And by the way the reason no other church agrees with it is relatively obvious. You cannot rebel against what Church says if you HAVE TO AGREE WITH THE POPE in matters ex catholico. Also that brings me to the point of saying there should be only one catholic and apostolic church. Matthew 16:18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. For the record I am NOT pro inquestion. I believe makes a faith weak rather than strong. Morality is from the Church. The question comes up then "How many good Christians do you know!?!?!", this shows my point earlier, don't judge a religion by the people in it or what the Church did 300 years ago! If this were true then I can blame any white person directly because my people were butchered at their hands, in fact most everybody can make that claim, Are we all murderers? No.