Ontological Disproof of God

[emjay]

I understand how frustrating it is to lose large parts of your post. It's happened to me before as well, so if I'm writing a long and complex post I usually make a backup in a text editor. And to reduce the likelihood of it happening, I prefer to use source mode only, which doesn't automatically attempt to add or correct your tags. But obviously that's not going to work for you if you're not comfortable with using BBCode directly.

Sorry, MJ but you are wasting your time. Our proponent has no interest in any form of learning of anything. Our proponent thinks he/she/it has a killer ontological disproof of god.

What that might actually be? Who knows. Negatio cannot express it in any meaningful way that anyone could possibly understand, and quite clearly has no interest in communicating said idea.

Cast back to the OP. Straight out of the box, everyone said that is such a mess that nobody would waste the time to pick it apart. It is entirely possible that there is a coherent point buried somewhere in that wall of insane rambling, sure. But who the hell has the leisure to unpick that particular Gordian Knot? Not me.

Straight out of the box I was confrontational, sure. Then I rolled that back and now I regret doing so. OP still has not grokked simple quote tags. Nobody is that idiotic. It can be nothing but intentional. Add to that the example cited of the OP happily posting elsewhere and what do we all conclude?

I leave that to the reader.

ETA: We are all atheist or agnostic in this thread. To whom is OP addressing his weird argument?

I understand your perspective, and if you're right then as I said I'll accept ragging for all time afterwards, and learn a valuable lesson from it, but I just see too much that makes me think otherwise;

Firstly I have experience with people who are complete technophobes... my mum and others.... so that mindset does exist in some people; where every time they use the computer, I have to explain the same things over and over again... simple things like how to search or close a page. It simply isn't retained... or if it is it's only in procedural form such that if that procedure goes wrong, they're completely lost about what do next. And since they don't use the computer enough, they never learn any the underlying principles of what they're doing, so never learn rules of thumb to rely on in the future, and are thus essentially stuck with whatever procedures are provided for them. This situation feels a lot like that to me.

Secondly, I feel like progress has has been made, albeit slowly. And as I said, I think my mum would have taken just as long to get to the same level, if not longer.

Thirdly, his difficulty with context reminds me of me. If I'm reading a book and it names and defines x on one page, then proceeds to continue talking about that thing for several pages afterwards but only referring back to it with 'it' or 'that' or 'this' etc, rather than the name, then I start to get lost and not sure what it's talking about anymore, so I look forward to the next time it uses the full name, just to make sure I'm figuratively speaking, on the same page. I find it a big problem with books heavy on description, because the longer it goes on, the more I'm likely to forget or lose track of what it's supposed to be describing.

In my own case, that difficulty with context... which is a big thing for me... is potentially ascribable to Asperger's Syndrome. That is, someone I've known most of my life, who's well placed to make such a judgement, since she has a son who is Aspergers, is absolutely convinced that I am also, just 'high functioning'. And I do indeed have a lot in common with her son, and several other 'Aspies' I know. Negatio took it offensively when I suggested he may also be Aspergers, but it's nothing about intelligence, just different ways of thinking and processing the world. He says he overthinks things... like Texas Holdem... so do I; overthink is my middle name. But whether he is or not, or whether I am or not, nonetheless I understand that problem with context in his case because I share it.

As to the OP, I just can't help wonder if negatio had made an introductory post in the introductions forum and got to know everyone a bit first, whether we'd still be having the same problems now, or the whether the OP might have been received a bit more positively... and less likely to be assumed to be a shit and run/trolling post like we're all so used to from theists. As it stands, it remains too overwhelming for most people to parse, myself included, and not good forum etiquette to drop such a thing as a first post - but if he's new to forumming then it's understandable that he wouldn't know - but he has been trying to reword it... so I do see what you call good faith here, it's just that focus has shifted from the content of his argument to all these technical problems etc, so from that perspective, the frustration - and anger - from all sides makes sense. So it just seems like one big, and unfortunate, misunderstanding to me.