Indeterminism in mathematics

[josef rosenkranz]

How many threads are you going to start on indeterminism? I don't even think the idea of god can be "disproved". God will always move further and further away from what we perceive and will always remain the answer to the "what if".

Look to the reply by starbucks from the 25-9-08 and you'll agree with me that he is quoting from the bible, pointing out just the problems which have no answers except to accept causality and randomness as two interwinned laws of nature.
We should not be depressed for not being able to disprove God .
That's just the purpose of the forum to dicuss to exchange views.
We are not a "party"of atheists so the more we discuss contradictory problems the more are we able to bring atheism to the knowledge of others.

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. God is not created, He is not caused by anything. Isn't this what was meant when He said "I am the alpha and omega"? He just "is" as He told to Moses, "tell them I AM sent you". ....

.... Whereas God, who is omniscient, has ALL the data, thus already knowing what's ahead, thus the future is no longer "future" but present. While we have to wait to get there.....

You have put the nail on the core of the problem.
You don't really believe in God I suppose otherwise you should care from now for a good and warm place in hell.
Atheism will never came closer to disproval of God whithout solving the problem that he "has all the data,thus already knowing what's ahead"
He has obviuosly a super nanotechnical computer.
The thing is that he exists only in the minds of people thinking of him and not in any real world so the only way ,in my opinion ,for atheism is to admit that causality and randomness are intertwinned laws of nature.
Randomness being a cotroversial topic in science ,I have very modestly tried to prove that ineterminism is used in basic mathematics