Political Correctness

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Or that it’s pointing out that it CAN go too far and that it can easily go from being a means of enlightening people to just becoming a weapon used at the first sign of a poorly worded statement without thinking things through any more than the target did. It can be used as a force for good or for ill. Fritz Lang in Metropolis said “the mediator between the hands and head must be the heart.” I say the heart and head need to work together if we want to reasonably expect anything to be done.

I think we agree. It can absolutely go too far.

I don't think the outliers heavily inform the central idea, however.

I think that's true and a fair point. People love to point to the outliers. For example all the videos titled "sjw gets triggered" and there is some dumb college kid freaking out over something trivial.

They are outliers, and I personally don't see their ideas going anywhere off campus, seeing as in the real world, nobody cares about your feelings.

I guess I have mixed feelings on the subject. I think political correctness is fine in certain environments, say office work or a bank or a classroom. But in the rest of the world, don't expect people to have to be nice to you or sensetive to your fragile little feelings.

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The term political correctness (adjectivally: politically correct; commonly abbreviated to PC or P.C.) is used to describe language, policies, or measures that are intended to avoid offense or disadvantage to members of particular groups in society. Since the late 1980s, the term has come to refer to avoiding language or behavior that can be seen as excluding, marginalizing, or insulting groups of people considered disadvantaged or discriminated against, especially groups defined by sex or race. In public discourse and the media, it is generally used as a pejorative, implying that these policies are excessive.

The contemporary pejorative usage of the term emerged from conservative criticism of the New Left in the late 20th century. This usage was popularized by a number of articles in The New York Times and other media throughout the 1990s, and was widely used in the debate about Allan Bloom's 1987 book The Closing of the American Mind, and gained further currency in response to Roger Kimball's Tenured Radicals (1990), and conservative author Dinesh D'Souza's 1991 book Illiberal Education, in which he condemned what he saw as liberal efforts to advance self-victimization and multiculturalism through language, affirmative action, and changes to the content of school and university curricula.

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It's not at all clear to me what people mean by political correctness. In as much as political correctness is about holding people responsible for holding abhorrent views, I'm for it. However, I rather doubt that is what people who argue against political correctness are on about. So I'd have to understand what people mean by it, and why it is considered bad before I really could venture an opinion on the matter. As with many things, there seems considerable disagreement about even what it is.

Yeah, I agree it's a hard conversation to even get started because people don't seem to be talking about the same thing, and there is a lot of 'bait and switch' going on also I feel.

Like people will say, "how hard is it to not call someone a racial slur'

Well not hard at all. But if that were all that political correctness was, it wouldn't even be an issue and I sincerely doubt that is all that people really expect out of a politically correct society.

On the other side you get people who take the most extreme social justice warrior college student who says some stupid shit and say 'look, this is political correctness." But really I just see those videos as young people who don't know anything and only represent a tiny portion of America.

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Political Correctness is about more than just not dropping N-bombs. If it were just that, then basically everyone is succeeding at being politically correct already.

Oh..are they...........

That's a bait and switch. Esspecially since you referenced extreme political correctness. Perhaps we should back up the conversation though. What do you consider ''mild political correctness" and what do you consider "extreme political correctness"

I'll give you my examples. I consider mild political correctness not dropping racial slurs or saying sexiest jokes etc.

I consider extreme political correctness to be something like an office environment, where you have to be on your best behavior. You force yourself to get along with people and don't tell fat jokes about your fat annoying co-worker, even though they are annoying, etc.

-and?  You think that extreme pc is not being allowed to be a dick on somebody else's dime..at your place of work?  That's what bothers you? Cry me a river. 

Now example b is fine for working in an office, but not how I definitely don't want to live my entire life that way, with office rules. That sounds terrible.

PC doesnt really have much to do with what you say in private, now does it? Just bank up all the fat jokes for sally and tell them to the mirror when you get home.

Pc means I cant tell fat jokes at work without someone calling me an asshole! Jesus christ you snowflake, will you survive? lol.

No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying if you were expected to behave like that all the time, as people have been in many societies, that's extreme political correctness.

Do you actually want to live like that? I mean obviously not. You don't behave like that on the forums, so it's hard to believe you expect others to all the time.

Now give your definitions.