(September 29, 2018 at 6:37 pm)unfogged Wrote:(September 29, 2018 at 9:29 am)Little Rik Wrote: Wrong again unfog.
There is zero evidence that the consciousness die when the body die and there is zero evidence that the two are inseparable for ever.
In order to believe that consciousness survives the death of the body we'd need evidence for that happening or, at the very least, evidence for a mechanism that would make it possible. Since we have none, and we have plenty of evidence that consciousness is tied to the brain there is only one reasonable conclusion at this point.
If you expect evidence from physical science you will wait for ever and ever.
Consciousness is an abstract entity which is outside the physical reality therefore impossible to understand in a physical way but if you are an attentive scholar in what make sense so to speak then you will understand that evolution is there for a reason which is to lead life to a goal.
On the other hand you can keep on doing nothing hoping that science one day in the future will explain you how the whole system works.
In the meantime I suggest you the same link that I just gave to Peebo-Thuhlu.
http://www.nderf.org/Archives/exceptional.html
Quote:As you are connected to your vehicle when you drive you also are free to terminate this connection when you wish.
Quote:Well, there's your problem. I am in physical contact with my vehicle but I am not connected to it. Please demonstrate the "you" that is separate from your physical brian and show that it can be disconnected and remain intact. I'll wait.
There is problem unfogg.
We are not the one who establish these connections.
Of course we can terminate the connection via a suicide but most people terminate the connection when their body die.
As far as remain intact in a way it does but with a big IF.
If for intact we mean that it never die then yes but if for intact we mean that it was with the previous awareness then no.
Why should it be considering that the awareness can increase or decrease according to our achievement or our bad life?
Quote:After million years that evolution take us from lower form of life to what we are now a sudden stop and death of our evolution before we reach the goal of life does not make any sense.
Human evolution can not possibly be the end of total evolution.
There is still a lot to learn and a lot to do to reach peace of mind and total happiness.
Only fools think that what we have achieve so far is enough.
Quote:Wow. An utter lack of understanding about evolution as well. Evolution has no goal.
That is a typical atheist dogma that prevent a person to understand how the system works.
Why on earth there is evolution if there is no goal?
WHY?
Quote:I am not really interested what other people think of spirituality.
To me the word simply means to unearth or bring to light what lies in the subconscious mind.
Quote:Fine, but that's not what others seem to mean when they say it. Calling that spirituality just muddies the conversation. If I hadn't asked for your definition I never would have guessed that that is what you mean.
Quote:You yourself must have noticed that after thinking and thinking in many cases the solution to your problem pop up.
Where you think it pop up from other than from your subconscious mind.
Quote:Yes, but based on subconscious evaluation of the evidence I already have. The fact that the conscious mind does not have access to the details of the operation of the subconscious doesn't make what is happening any less a natural function of a working brain.
What is the point in having a fortune when you can not use it?
Intelligent people use what is theirs.
Fools on the other hand do not.
Quote:Spirituality is an intelligent way to allow the coming of these solution to emerge a lot lot easier than struggle all the time beside solutions also means peace of mind and bliss.
Quote:Deepak would be proud; that's gibberish.
Gibberish that one day you will turn into craftiness.
Quote:Before to learn you need a system of knowledge unless you are a cave man that discover the fire by pure chance.
Yoga is a knowledge that allow you to learn.
Quote:You need evidence and the ability to reason; that result in knowledge. "Yoga is a knowledge" is just more gibberish. I gather that English is not your first language so that may be part of the problem but what you are saying simply does not make any sense.
You surely need ........the ability to reason.........but you also need a good teacher.
Evidence will come later.
Quote:Yours is the way of the cave man that after ages and ages discover the fire by pure chance.
I on the other hand put my trust in a real teacher that has been there and done that in order to arrive to the goal of life.
In this way I benefit from his knowledge so I don't have to struggle to find my way to the finish line of total evolution.
Quote:I tried, but I think it is quite apparent that we can not have any meaningful conversation. If you want to try explaining what you mean you need to do so in terms of things that are real. I don't deal in deepities.
Consciousness is real but we can not see it, touch it smell it, taste it and so on however we can grasp it in a total different way but I suppose it would be too difficult for you to understand.