(October 3, 2018 at 1:17 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:(October 2, 2018 at 2:43 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Questioning and investigating is not victim blaming. It's not even saying that it is not believed or untrue. It's also not saying that Kavenaughs claims are untrue either. There just isn't enough information to form a rational opinion and especially not for the lynch mob mentality that is being seen.
I don't think that special pleading in these cases is justified to dispense with the principles of innocent until proven guilty and due process. I don't see that it is unreasonable for ask for a reason to believe one persons claims over another.
It's amusing the inconstancy seen here, vs discussion's about witness testimony (when people think we are talking about God). There's no lists of issues with testimony or memory. It appears that it is being demanded that it be believed against evidence and mostly based on feelings. Quite the contrast.
The testimony about god and jesus have had time to be investigated and found wanting.
But the claims against Brett haven't been investigated and given the time limit wont be. So you will have potential rapist on the supreme court as well as the white house.
Apparently Brett and his friends lined up to rape women. So lets investigate that and do it properly.
Yeah.... seems like double standards to me...... reasons you give for one set of claims are then contradicted when concerning other claims. Which this, and the comments lead me to suspect that you lot, base most of this on feelings and emotions rather than reasons and evidence. As to the investigation, the FBI seems to have gotten done earlier than required. If you think that the multiple investigations into this man, are lacking, then I ask how, what type of further investigation do you require, and how much time (reasonably) do you think that will take? These seem like rational questions that would justify the calls for delay that are not being answered.
And if you have warrant for a justified belief that Judge Kavenaugh raped women, then I would suggest pressing criminal charges. There is nothing which prevents investigation and due process after the confirmation. Make a solid case, and then we can talk again. (Perhaps a peer review scientific paper that prooves that Kavenaugh did what he was alleged to have done. My observations are however, that the more information that comes out seems to be weakening Fords case, not strengthening it.
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