RE: Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?
October 8, 2018 at 12:39 am
(This post was last modified: October 8, 2018 at 12:52 am by Rahn127.)
Well instead of hard evidence, maybe you could give me a collection of stories, started thousands of years ago, from an oral tradition of passing down stories from generation to generation, that have been rewritten thousands of times with over 30,000 different versions and has thousands of transcription errors with many parts that contradict each other and other parts that simply get everything wrong about reality.
Oh and make it old as fuck, written by unknown authors and put together by people who decided for themselves what would be allowed in their book and what wouldn't.
Numbers are labels we put on a defined quantity of existing items.
I am touching ONE letter at a time on my ONE phone.
Please show me evidence of ONE god.
We don't know about an undefined, unknown X, that we label god in the same way we know about numbers.
We can demonstrate the number 4
Here are four letters. FOUR.
If I put four apples on a table I can demonstrate the number 4.
Can they demonstrate their god ?
Oh and make it old as fuck, written by unknown authors and put together by people who decided for themselves what would be allowed in their book and what wouldn't.
(October 8, 2018 at 12:19 am)Belaqua Wrote:(October 7, 2018 at 9:07 pm)Rahn127 Wrote: Does anyone have any tangible proof that a god exists ?
Maybe people who believed in Thor or Zeus thought that there was tangible evidence.
In both the Platonic and Aristotelian traditions, though, which make up the bulk of Christian theology, nobody expects tangible (touchable, empirical) evidence of God. They don't think he's (it's) that kind of thing.
Roughly speaking, for them, we know about God the way we know about numbers. Nobody has ever touched the number two, but we extrapolate facts about it based on our experiences of two of this and two of that. Working from these basic experiences, Platonists extrapolate an immaterial but eternal ideal called the Good, which Christians identify with God. Aristotelians notice the actualization of potential in the world, and from this develop elaborate and difficult arguments to conclude that there must be full actualization with no potential, which the Christians identify with God. In neither case is this God something you can hold up and show, as you do with your telephone.
I'm not saying that their arguments should persuade you, necessarily. Just that the complaints you make in the OP aren't things that are relevant to the main traditions of theology.
Numbers are labels we put on a defined quantity of existing items.
I am touching ONE letter at a time on my ONE phone.
Please show me evidence of ONE god.
We don't know about an undefined, unknown X, that we label god in the same way we know about numbers.
We can demonstrate the number 4
Here are four letters. FOUR.
If I put four apples on a table I can demonstrate the number 4.
Can they demonstrate their god ?
Insanity - Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result