RE: Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?
October 8, 2018 at 12:02 pm
(This post was last modified: October 8, 2018 at 12:25 pm by Alan V.)
(October 8, 2018 at 8:02 am)Belaqua Wrote:(October 8, 2018 at 7:59 am)Thoreauvian Wrote: My stance is that any apologist who ignores the attributes of consciousness and willfulness is equivocating with his god-concept.
But as always, if you have something to say, by all means say it.
If consciousness and willfulness are baked into your concept of what God is, I won't argue with you. No philosopher I know of -- including the Christian ones -- conceive of God as having these things in the way that people do.
I wasn't saying that a God's consciousness and willfulness had to be the same as people's, but he does necessarily have to have them to be a being -- i.e. to exist as something more than a concept of the Truth.
I am grateful philosophers have long discussed God in more abstract terms, since they led to our ideas of natural laws independent of any God-concept.
(October 8, 2018 at 8:59 am)SteveII Wrote: 1) You have an 'alternative explanation' to the NT that has evidence? That would be a first.
2) There is an 'alternate explanation' to billions of people's experience? Is it a billion explanations or just one covers everyone?
3) There is an 'alternate explanation' why anything exists? Do tell.
4) There is an 'alternate explanation' for where the universe came from? Do tell.
5) There is an 'alternate explanation' for consciousness? Do tell.
1) Not me, per se -- Biblical scholars. I personally prefer Bart Ehrman's detective work which concludes that the historical Jesus was an apocalyptic prophet, based on a careful study of the Gospels.
https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Apocalyptic...art+ehrman
2) Billions of people can and do misinterpret their personal experiences, as psychology has shown.
https://www.amazon.com/Invisible-Gorilla...le+gorilla
3 and 4) You are assuming that the universe came from nothing, which even the big bang theory does not assume. The universe, in some form, may have existed forever. After all, energy doesn't seem to be either created or destroyed, just transformed. We don't really know yet, but your jumping to conclusions proves nothing. Further, other scientists have speculated how it is indeed possible for something to come from nothing (without anything supernatural involved).
https://www.amazon.com/Universe-Nothing-...e+big+bang
5) Consciousness is not a separate being, it is a process of physical bodies and specifically physical brains. It varies with brain chemistry and structure.
https://www.amazon.com/Consciousness-Sci...sciousness
So yes, there are alternative explanations for each of your points, and from my perspective every one is more probable than yours because they do no depend on the existence of a whole other spiritual or supernatural dimension to reality. The more moving parts any explanation requires, the less probable it's likely to be. Your explanations are way too complicated for what they are required to explain.