RE: Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?
October 8, 2018 at 4:13 pm
(This post was last modified: October 8, 2018 at 4:13 pm by Rahn127.)
(October 8, 2018 at 2:27 pm)SteveII Wrote:(October 8, 2018 at 1:01 pm)Rahn127 Wrote: Steve, do you have any facts or information that would indicate that the proposition "a god exists" is true ?
I just listed like 20 points that qualify for "facts or information". In those 20 points was the unbroken, reported personal experiences of God from like a billion people. Is a billion pieces of "fact or information" enough?
Personal experiences aren't going to cut it.
First off, you discount the personal experiences from people who are of a different religious upbringing than you are.
Delusions don't count as facts.
Keep trying
Quote:Let's start by describing the god you believes exists and how you obtained this description.
(October 8, 2018 at 2:27 pm)SteveII Wrote: Omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, omnibenevolent, creator of all there is, the God partially revealed in the OT and then the incarnation described in the events of the NT as a God who sacrificed for us and who wants to have a personal relationship with us.
Information from: natural theology, revealed theology, inferred systematic theology, personal experience of me and others.
How did you determine that this god is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, omnibenevolent, creator of all there is ?
Are you basing all of those attributes upon what others have said ?
A billion people can describe a rock as Omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, omnibenevolent, creator of all there is, but that doesn't make it true.
You have to demonstrate that a god exists and demonstrate that it has these attributes.
You can't just assert it and so far that's all you've done.
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As for all of those theologies. They are the same study of religious belief. That's all.
You're free to believe whatever you want, but again, what you believe doesn't count as a fact or as information unless you can demonstrate that belief to be true.
You must provide something more substantial than personal experience.
Everything you've said from page 1 all comes down to stories people have written down about their personal experiences.
None of those personal experiences can be demonstrated.
If I get a million people telling me how beautiful the beaches are in Hawaii, I can believe them because I can verify their story. I can go to Hawaii. It's a real place.
How do we go about verifying your personal experiences ? Forget all the other billions of people, let's verify your experience.
What happened ? What did you see or hear ?
Or maybe it was a long series of coincidences that couldn't have happened any other way.
A god had to have done it.
I'll await your future fallacies.
Insanity - Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result