RE: Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?
October 10, 2018 at 12:51 pm
(This post was last modified: October 10, 2018 at 1:00 pm by SteveII.)
(October 10, 2018 at 8:17 am)polymath257 Wrote:And right there is your problem. When you talk about THINGS like events, they are accumulated one after another. They can be plotted on a timeline, ticked off with a pencil. At no time does any amount of accumulated events become an infinite quantity. You think that just asserting there already is infinite amount of events somehow circumvents the impossibility.(October 9, 2018 at 12:24 pm)SteveII Wrote: And here are my posts that you could not address because you got in way over your head:
1. An actual infinite consists of real (not abstract) objects.
2. In 100% of our experiences and 100% of our scientific inquiries, quantities of real objects can have all the operations of addition, subtraction, multiplication and division applied to them.
3. As Hilbert's Hotel shows, these operations cannot be applied to the concept of an actual infinite without creating contradictions and absurdities
4. Classical propositional logic does not allow for contradictory statements to be true.
5. Therefore an actual infinite of real objects is logically impossible.
Infinite set theory is not a defeater for (2) because infinite set theory is not itself a conclusion derived from a logical process. To defeat (2) you have to give logical reasons why we should expect an infinite quantity of objects to behave fundamentally different than a finite quantity of objects.
1. An event is a change in a real object
2. From any point in the past, there is a finite amount of events to the present and can be counted down en...e3...e2...e1...e0(now).
3. If there are an infinite amount of events in the past, we could never count down from infinity to e3...e2...e1...e0 because there would always be an infinite amount of events that would still have happened on the leading edge of the series.
4. With an infinite series of past events we could never arrive to the present.
5. Therefore an actual infinite series of past events is impossible.
We can expect an infinite quantity to have different properties than finite quantities because they are different things.
As I have challenged both you and Grandizer 20 times before. Just post an article from a reputable source that backs up your claim there can be an infinite amount of actual real concrete objects. I really don't think that is too much to ask and until you do, I don't think it unreasonable to point out that you are very confused.
Make sure you differentiate between concrete and abstract objects in your article search.