RE: Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?
October 10, 2018 at 3:39 pm
(This post was last modified: October 10, 2018 at 4:03 pm by LadyForCamus.)
(October 10, 2018 at 3:02 pm)SteveII Wrote:(October 10, 2018 at 1:46 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: (I put this in the wrong thread earlier)
About this ‘supernatural’ business:
If something can be evident, or generate evidence of its existence in the physical world via interaction with it, then it’s a part of this world, and not supernatural. If you’re going to assert that a thing can exist in the world, affect it, and leave evidence behind, yet it is somehow not a part of it, you’re going to have to defend that position via describing the specific, positive attributes that disqualify it from the category of, ‘natural.’
Just once I would like a theist to take an honest crack at explaining to me what the supernatural actually is, and in what ways it is distinct from the categories of ‘natural’ and ‘non-existent’.
Your definition of supernatural is wrong. You're actually creating your confusion by defining the word so it makes no sense.
su·per·nat·u·ral
ˌso͞opərˈnaCH(ə)rəl/
adjective
- 1.
(of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.
There is nothing in the definition that limits its interaction with natural things (those things that are governed by the laws of nature).
Further, a miracle is not a violation of the physical laws, it is an effect in the natural world with a supernatural cause. To say it another way, a physical law describes the expected effect given certain conditions. If there is a supernatural cause, those certain conditions obviously do not obtain.
Redefining something as ‘beyond scientific understanding’ is neither an explanation, nor a positive descriptor of the particular thing in question. You’re attempting to construct a new category of things out of our gaps in knowledge from another. Let me ask you, how do we make the determination that something is beyond science’s ability to explore?
Further, is there a reliable method for making the distinction between natural things that as of yet do not have a scientific explaination, and things that are unexplainable?
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken.
Wiser words were never spoken.
