RE: Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?
October 10, 2018 at 4:46 pm
(This post was last modified: October 10, 2018 at 4:47 pm by polymath257.)
(October 10, 2018 at 3:59 pm)SteveII Wrote:(October 10, 2018 at 3:39 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Redefining something as ‘beyond scientific understanding’ is neither an explanation, nor a positive descriptor of the particular thing in question. Let me ask you, how do we make the determination that something is beyond science’s ability to explore?
I'm not redefining anything. That is the definition.
The best way is context. Events contrary to what we know about the laws of nature are more likely miracles when there is a context that suggest a supernatural cause. For example, if Jesus tells a crippled man from birth to stand up, take up his mat and walk, that would seem more likely a miracle than not.
If a whole church is praying for a little boy (like my brother-in-law) who had a brain tumor and on the morning of his surgery he had a CT scan for the surgeon to map his cuts, there was no tumor. Never came back. That might be a miracle.
If someone looses their car keys and prays and then finds them. Probably not.
Looking through a microscope at a some sub-atomic particle that isn't behaving as expected would never be thought of as a miracle--there is no context to think that it would be. That concept is called epistemological naturalism and that is how a Christian who is also a scientist would approach his/her work.
Events that violate the 'known' laws of physics simply means we don't have the valid laws in that case. A supernatural explanation is *never* better than a more refined physical law.
And I disagree with your evaluation of the Jesus story. It would be much more likely to be a spontaneous remission that is coincidental to Jesus than anything else. A psychological paralysis is also a strong possibility. And *that* is even giving you that the story is reliably told.
The same goes for a church praying. Spontaneous remissions do actually happen. That just means we need to study more to understand why they happen. A supernatural explanation just isn't a real explanation.
(October 10, 2018 at 4:43 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: So many atheists appear to be against logic and philosophy for some reason.
I am in full support of good logic and good philosophy. I am against bad logic and bad philosophy. I am also in support of mathematical investigation as well as scientific investigation.
Philosophy is good for discussions over drinks but little else.