(October 11, 2018 at 8:49 am)SteveII Wrote:(October 11, 2018 at 6:48 am)Grandizer Wrote: No need to be upset or jealous, Steve. I'm sure, one day, you will understand the maths and the logic as well as they do.
Thankfully, that's not the argument exactly. You're just mocking a strawman summary of it because you're unable to address the specific points I made, either because you didn't understand it ... or you do, but you're unable to rebut it effectively.
Please address the specific points I made in that argument. At least for once, just so I know you actually did understand the argument. Because, note: you never did address these at any point in the other thread.
So show me that you do understand what I'm saying. And if you don't, just ask for clarification on something I said. Don't dismiss it out of hand just because it's an atheist rebutting your sacredly held position.
To which I responded as well. Did you forget?
Emphasis mine. According to whom? WLC?
Making a claim is one thing, backing it up is another. Try not to make such claims without much basis to them.
Either way, like you then pointed out, that's irrelevant anyway to whether or not an actual infinity is logically possible. Also, it's not like your god has been scientifically established, so quit the double standards. If we're doing pure philosophy here, you and me, then let's stick to that, ok? You can argue the science with polymath (if you're even qualified to do so).
Again and again, you are still arguing against the A-theory of time. The moment you talk about traversal and arriving at the present, you are not talking about the B-theory of time, you are STILL talking about the A-theory of time.
Under the B-theory of time, the flow of time is an illusion. Hence, there is no "traversal" or "arriving" happening.
Note this doesn't mean the B-theory is necessarily correct, it may well be that there's a better theory of time out there that has yet to be discovered. But if you're going to argue against the B-theory, you need to come up with an appropriate argument against it. You can't just slightly modify your original objection (to the fundamentally different A-theory of time) and just hope it works, lol.
Indeed! So at every "time-point", there is an instance of that being counting one of the integers. And there are infinite time-points of such.
If you were an outside observe (say, even god himself), you would see a still image of that being counting "5". Simultaneously, there is a "still image" of that same being counting "4" and another image of it counting negative Graham's number and so on. As a godly entity, all of them are there available for your viewing pleasure.
Easy, this is pure word-play, nothing more. You are trying to argue against the B-theory of time while speaking the A-theory language. So no challenge at all here.
Now about my response to your "evidence for god" argument in this thread? Anything?
Put your argument in a syllogism and I will respond. You are talking yourself in circles and you think you make sense.
Address the specific points I asked you to address first. Then, I will do what you want me to do, if still needed.