(October 11, 2018 at 8:47 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:(October 11, 2018 at 8:40 am)SteveII Wrote: That's wrong. Causality does not require time--time requires causality (events).
Please demonstrate causality without time.
Theoretically, in the absence of a universe, there would be a false vacuum, quantum foam in which virtual particles blip in and out of existence, not constantly or often or seldom because there is no time, it's all instantaneous and takes no time at all. Each 'blip' would essentially be it's own Planck-level universe in which time is only another spatial dimension.
Or so some theoretical physicists say, it's above my pay grade. It has occurred to me before that the universe-less quantum foam checks many of the boxes we're told God must check: timelessness, the power to create universes (if its where universes come from), can't 'not exist' and therefore eternal, etc. Pretty much every box that doesn't require it to be a person.
When people say they worship whatever created the universe, this is what I think of. Of course, it's only one hypothesis, not yet potentially verifiable by experiment and only supported by the math working and it not contradicting what we already know.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.