(October 11, 2018 at 10:59 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote:(October 11, 2018 at 10:35 am)possibletarian Wrote: Prove what scientifically ? that a hypothetical being does not exist , you realise what hypothetical means.. right ?
You assume that all human beings are conscious(despite being able to observe only your own consciousness) and then make claim that unconscious p-zombies are impossible. This is illogical
(October 11, 2018 at 10:38 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: thinking it feels pahScience can only observe behavior. By definition behavior of p-zombie is identical to conscious person.
To be pedantic, science has certainly observed the difference between consciousness and unconsciousness.
Quote:The problem with p-zombies is that the idea presumes that consciousness isn't a product of brain activity.And you claim that consciousness is a product of brain activity without any proof.
Quote:given the fact that each of us experiences consciousness directlyProve it scientifically
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_other_minds
(October 11, 2018 at 10:38 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Nope afraid not
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_zombie
Quote:For example, if a philosophical zombie was poked with a sharp object it would not feel any pain sensation, yet could behave exactly as if it does feel pain (it may say "ouch", recoil from the stimulus, and say that it is feeling pain).
(October 11, 2018 at 10:56 am)polymath257 Wrote: theoretically, but in practice not so much. The brain is complex enough that modeling it in sufficient detail can't yet be accomplished.How can you prove that state is internal?
P-zombie would report you same states.
precisely why I don't consider them to be possible. If they report an internal state in a way that is consistent with the physical evidence, then they *are* conscious.
Are you going to tell us your thoughts on how you reached these conclusions, perhaps try answering a few of the question posed to you ?
'Those who ask a lot of questions may seem stupid, but those who don't ask questions stay stupid'