(October 11, 2018 at 10:59 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote:(October 11, 2018 at 10:35 am)possibletarian Wrote: Prove what scientifically ? that a hypothetical being does not exist , you realise what hypothetical means.. right ?
You assume that all human beings are conscious(despite being able to observe only your own consciousness) and then make claim that unconscious p-zombies are impossible. This is illogical
(October 11, 2018 at 10:38 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: thinking it feels pahScience can only observe behavior. By definition behavior of p-zombie is identical to conscious person.
To be pedantic, science has certainly observed the difference between consciousness and unconsciousness.
Quote:The problem with p-zombies is that the idea presumes that consciousness isn't a product of brain activity.And you claim that consciousness is a product of brain activity without any proof.
Quote:given the fact that each of us experiences consciousness directlyProve it scientifically
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_other_minds
(October 11, 2018 at 10:38 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Nope afraid not
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_zombie
Quote:For example, if a philosophical zombie was poked with a sharp object it would not feel any pain sensation, yet could behave exactly as if it does feel pain (it may say "ouch", recoil from the stimulus, and say that it is feeling pain).
If your definition of consciousness is such that people are not conscious, then I submit that your definition has problems. So, yes, all people are conscious (unless they are asleep, in a coma, etc).
Yes, it is irrational to think that a p-zombie will respond *identically* in every way to all stimuli as something conscious and NOT be conscious.
Let me give you an example: a p-zombie will report being conscious, have discussions about consciousness, describe internal feelings in exquisite detail. In what way are they *not* conscious? Why would they do all of these things *unless* they are, in fact, conscious? The whole proposal seems ridiculous to me.