(October 11, 2018 at 11:13 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote:I disagree. if they are able to report experiencing qualia, discussing qualia in detail, etc, it is meaningless to say they don't experience qualia.(October 11, 2018 at 11:05 am)polymath257 Wrote: So, yes, all people are consciousYou can observe only your own consciousness yet claiming without scientific proof that everyone else is conscious.
Quote:Yes, it is irrational to think that a p-zombie will respond *identically* in every way to all stimuli as something conscious and NOT be conscious.Why is it irrational?
Quote: In what way are they *not* conscious? Why would they do all of these things *unless* they are, in fact, conscious?They don't experience qualia
In essence, you are promoting a version of solipsism as being reasonable. Sorry, that doesn't work. The best, most predictive hypothesis about the real world is that other people are conscious: that they have internal states that are part of their decision making processes. And that is sufficient *from a scientific perspective* to say they are, in fact, conscious. Any definition that doesn't allow this is not a scientific one and is thereby immediately suspicious.