Atheism is unstoppable.

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Not migration, more a combination of isolationism within society mixed with higher birth rates which serves to propagate the population. In addition I feel that Islam as an entity is more than just a belief, it’s a way of life trust informs everything from political decision making to social norms. At least in a way that Christianity used to but no longer does. What you say is, in my view, correct; there is little flexibility in most Islamic dogmas, though naturally depends on what Islam you follow. I remember a figure from a while back which indicated that a lot of new mosques here tend to be deobandi which is of concern.

Probably more nuanced than that but as a high level overview I don’t think it falls wide if the mark. I wouldn’t necessarily exclude migration as a contributing factor but I don’t know what the figures are so can’t say either way.

I see, thanks. Yeah, I was wondering about birth rates, like that quiverfull horse shit in the US. With our Islam, would you say this is intended (on the whole) to flood the religious numbers, or for other reasons?

Very difficult to say without knowing more about it to be fair. Anecdotally, the culture within a lot of South Asian communities in the UK is patriarchal and involves entire family units living within the same house.

Again, mostly anecdote bourne from given facts that are well known, but western populations are aging and birth rates are dropping, almost exclusively as a result of an upturn in the emancipation of women and female sexual health and sexuality in general. I think it fair to say that this level of emancipation hasn’t penetrated the south Asian communities in the UK, meaning a more patriarchal collective which still promotes the idea that young women should marry and reproduce at a young age.

There was an interesting programme on C4 a while back which looked at the place of 3rd/4th gen Asian migrants living in the UK and how they view their place in 21st Britain, and it was really fascinating. I’ll try and find a link after I’ve posted this, but there was a young Muslim chap at the end who gave his view along the lines of his grandparents came as 3rd world migrants hoping to make a better life for themselves and their families, but never changed the mentality of being from the 3rd world. So I’m effect that mentality has continued throughout the generations which has reinforced the sense of otherism within those communities as even other migrant communities such as folks from the Windies and to an extent those from Africa have begun to evolve and adapt to a ‘modern’ and more liberal way of thinking and aspiration. Explains why levels of disenchantment with wider society is highest amongst south Asian communities, and why levels of education, employment and health also tend to be poorer in especially Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities than any other.

There’s loads of factors I think, would be interesting for a more in depth study for sure.