(October 10, 2018 at 9:23 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:You may have missed the point of the three examples. Each of them is defined by what they are not--entirely. You can't flip it around. If you ask what is 'light', darkness is not part of the definition. What positive descriptors do you have for darkness, evil or cold?(October 10, 2018 at 8:36 pm)SteveII Wrote:(October 10, 2018 at 5:59 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:
Quote:First, I want to point out the bold to Mister Agenda. It would seem I understood your position perfectly.
Second, you throw around the word fallacy a lot. What did I say that you think is a logical fallacy.
I don’t, actually. And I try not to unless I’m fairly confident that I’m correct in my charge. Even then, we all make errors from time to time. That’s how you hone a skill. I’ve already explained to you exactly which fallacy I believe you committed, but I’ll get it:
Quote:If a whole church is praying for a little boy (like my brother-in-law) who had a brain tumor and on the morning of his surgery he had a CT scan for the surgeon to map his cuts, there was no tumor. Never came back. That might be a miracle.
Quote:So, again; rare medical phenomena happen. How do you rationally determine that the cause can’t, and never can be explainable via science, versus a natural cause that science can and may be able to explain at some point in the future? Because, people prayed first? I know you know what a ‘post hoc ergo propter hoc’ fallacy is.
I said "might be a miracle". I can't have used the fallacy unless I was making an argument. I was explaining the the probability that if anything is a miracle--context can be a clue--not proof.
Quote:Quote:Many words are defined by what it is not. 'Darkness', 'evil', 'cold' off the top of my head.
You’re right. We also have the words, “light”, “good”, and “warm”. I can tell you what these things are by describing their characteristics. If someone asks me what light is, I don’t need to default to, “well, it’s not dark.” What positive descriptors do we have for the supernatural? That’s what I’m asking you for.
That is not to say we can't know more about what is supernatural. If you believe in the supernatural, you probably believe in entities like God, angels, human souls, demons and places like heaven and hell. Descriptions of what is supernatural help firm up the concept. Here's a good example: if we have a soul, then by definition it is more than the sum of our electro-chemical processes and is considered supernatural right? Further, we believe we have free will and can act with intentionality. We (our soul) effect the physical world by deciding to direct our bodies to do something. There--supernatural causation. Even if you don't believe it, it is coherent.