RE: Does Quran prove God?
October 12, 2018 at 4:42 pm
(This post was last modified: October 12, 2018 at 4:43 pm by Alan V.)
(October 12, 2018 at 1:27 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: 1) Love is nothing but recognition of value, and the most valued value, is love itself.
2) Love recognizes everything including itself.
3) The more we love, the more we increase in vision of value and judgement of value, and it asses in truth, because it's not trying to make up reality, but know it.
4) Love thus is a seeker of vision of truth.
5) It seeks to know God and know others.
6) Love has a divine language and all things valued, are in that language.
7) The Absolute loving God thus is the only thing that can truly see us as we are because it's perfect love and judgment, and love seeks to recognize things closer to their truth and this why God's connecting signs and names are needed, to love God and love creation, because they are the balancing witnessing eye that sees things closest to the absolute vision of God and point to God.
8) Do you disbelieve in the one who upholds every soul by what it has earned?
1) We love what is valuable to us. I get that. We don't love what is not valuable to us, or whatever we consider neutral or even hateful. Love is not a value in itself, but an emotion felt about a value. You are effectively equivocating with loaded terminology.
2) As far as I can figure out, you are saying that whatever something is loved for is its essential attribute. I don't see why this follows, since what I value is relative to my perspectives. I don't claim any absolute perspectives, and you can't demonstrate any. All you can do is make assertions.
3) Again, you are reiterating that love somehow establishes reality. I disagree.
4) And again. No, the seeker of truth is someone who can find it anywhere, not just in love. That's why you are crippled in such discussions. Atheists don't love what we consider harmful to people.
5) Here you jump off the rails, unless you are defining God as the human emotion of love. That's an equivocation.
6) Since number 5 didn't follow, neither does this.
7) You are conflating love with truth with God. Can you honestly say you love all of creation, including, for instance, tsunamis which randomly kill hundreds?
8) If you are asking whether I disbelieve in God, the answer is still yes. Your argument, such as it was, doesn't make sense.
Summary: Until you can talk without loaded terminology, you will convey nothing to us and will learn nothing from us either. We can't accept your assumptions as a first step in conversation.
