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God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial?
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RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial?
Let's just examine this question:

Was the Universe deliberately created?

Now, I happen to think that it takes a lot more faith to think that this all just came about by accident than not. It may be a fallacy to say it, but could anything so amazing and wonderful just happen on its own? Or does the majesty of creation have the creators fingerprints on it? That's why I was an agnostic previous to this, because I knew the limitations of knowledge and the subjective nature of our limited perceptions. However, I think you can come to some reasonable conclusions right off the bat.

Science tells us the Universe had a beginning. More specifically, that time space and matter had a beginning. Therefore, whatever caused the Universe to exist is timeless, immaterial and transcendent. Right away you have the facts of the matter matching up to attributes of deity. You add a mind to that and you have a God. It isn't implausible to suggest this is true, just from our observation of the Universe itself.

There are certain features of our Universe which speak to design. For instance, the evidence of fine tuning. Such as the 40 or so values that have to be just right for anything to form or life to existence. Science attempts to explain away the evidence of fine tuning by postulating multiple universes, saying the extreme mathematical uncertainty is probable once you have infinite Universes..but not only is there no evidence for that, but it just pushes the necessity of a Creator back a step; in fact it necessitates it even more because now you have to explain the fine tuning of an infinite Universe generator.

You also have the presence of information, such as what is found in DNA molecules. DNA is a genetic language of encoded information, even having its own grammar and semantics. It has the same properties as a computer code. Natural selection and random mutation cannot explain it away.

It is something that has to be considered beyond the medium it is carried in. Information is not the same as matter and energy. The information in a book is not the same as the material that makes up the book. The book itself, the paper and ink, are just the medium to carry the information. You could take what is in a book and put it on a disk, or speak it aloud, and it would remain the same. The message itself has an independent existence from the physical medium. Just as the DNA molecule is the medium, but not the message. This type of high level information originates only in a mind.

I also believe that logic demonstrates that there must be an eternal first cause. I think we can probably agree that something doesn't come from nothing. This means, that if there were at any point "nothing", something could never arise. Therefore, there always had to be something. That means that the first cause of everything is eternal and uncaused. Again, this speaks to the account of an eternal God.

I see people talk about skepticism quite a bit, but it isn't true skepticism...true skepticism is to be skeptical of all of it, not just what gets you out of responsibility to a higher power. That kind of skepticism is just religious skepticism, not philosophical skepticism. Many people who think of themselves as skeptics take the claims of empiricism on blind faith. Many dont't realize that science is a philosophical discipline which is predicated on empiricism. The interpretation of scientific data is in itself highly subjective, and all of it stems from natural philosophy.

So, in any case, these are just some of the reasons I consider the existence of God highly probable.
(September 24, 2011 at 8:44 am)Ace Otana Wrote:
(September 24, 2011 at 7:36 am)lucent Wrote: Cutting away your bias towards religion, why do you think it is so implausible the Universe was created by a higher power?
No evidence, no credibility, no explanatory power and no value. Got some pretty good reasons to reject the whole religious thing.

Quote:Do you honestly believe this is all an accident?
I don't know. But just because I don't know doesn't mean a god did it. I won't jump to conclusions like you have.

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God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by TheouLive - September 20, 2011 at 8:11 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by Cinjin - September 20, 2011 at 8:18 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by Cinjin - September 20, 2011 at 8:45 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 24, 2011 at 7:36 am
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 24, 2011 at 6:30 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 26, 2011 at 4:45 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by Erinome - September 20, 2011 at 8:55 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by padraic - September 20, 2011 at 9:27 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by TheouLive - September 20, 2011 at 10:09 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by Cinjin - September 21, 2011 at 12:12 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by fr0d0 - September 21, 2011 at 1:18 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 24, 2011 at 6:51 am
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by theVOID - September 24, 2011 at 8:31 am
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by padraic - September 24, 2011 at 6:58 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 24, 2011 at 7:31 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by fr0d0 - September 25, 2011 at 5:52 am
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by Stucky - September 26, 2011 at 10:06 am
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by Shell B - September 26, 2011 at 1:08 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by Stucky - September 26, 2011 at 10:35 am
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by Stucky - September 26, 2011 at 10:50 am
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by Cinjin - September 26, 2011 at 12:18 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 26, 2011 at 7:58 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 27, 2011 at 1:15 am
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 27, 2011 at 2:07 am
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 27, 2011 at 6:42 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 27, 2011 at 10:16 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by Shell B - September 27, 2011 at 7:48 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by Shell B - September 27, 2011 at 8:23 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 28, 2011 at 4:12 am
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 28, 2011 at 5:23 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 28, 2011 at 6:06 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 29, 2011 at 6:59 am
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 29, 2011 at 3:41 am
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by Erinome - September 29, 2011 at 4:21 am
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 29, 2011 at 5:25 am
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by Erinome - September 29, 2011 at 7:02 am
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 29, 2011 at 6:50 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 29, 2011 at 7:40 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by Erinome - September 29, 2011 at 8:40 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 29, 2011 at 8:52 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by Erinome - September 29, 2011 at 9:09 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 29, 2011 at 10:15 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by Shell B - September 29, 2011 at 9:37 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 29, 2011 at 8:21 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 29, 2011 at 8:41 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by edk - September 29, 2011 at 8:44 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 29, 2011 at 9:49 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by edk - September 29, 2011 at 8:56 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 29, 2011 at 9:30 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by Erinome - September 29, 2011 at 10:01 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by Shell B - September 29, 2011 at 10:24 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by Cyberman - September 29, 2011 at 10:29 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by Cyberman - September 29, 2011 at 11:00 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 29, 2011 at 11:26 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 30, 2011 at 12:32 am
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 30, 2011 at 12:47 am
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by Erinome - September 30, 2011 at 12:50 am
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 30, 2011 at 1:42 am
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 30, 2011 at 2:03 am
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 30, 2011 at 4:16 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 30, 2011 at 6:14 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 30, 2011 at 6:35 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 30, 2011 at 8:37 pm
RE: God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial? - by lucent - September 30, 2011 at 10:05 pm

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