Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?

[LadyForCamus]

Natural is within this universe and made up of the material things the universe is made out of and obey a certain set of laws. The supernatural is not contingent on there even being a universe. If the universe failed to exist, God, angels, demons, whatever would still exist. This automatically creates the line you are looking for.

How does a conscious entity like a god or an angel exist immaterially, absent space and time?  

IMO, we are supernatural/natural hybrids. We rely on our bodies and the physical world to develop our minds (souls). God has said that that soul/mind will outlast this body and into a new body that will not die. We will still exist in a physical world (heaven as we call it).

Wait, so heaven is a physical place, and we enter into a new body?  So, what about this business of disembodied minds being incapable of decision-making postmortem because there are no more ‘inputs and outputs’?  Are souls in heaven having experiences?  Are souls in hell having experiences?  If so, how? And what is stopping those souls in hell from changing their minds about being with the Lord? 

So, what I’ve learned about the supernatural in this thread:

1. It effects the natural world yet somehow cannot be observed or investigated, but we don’t have any idea how this technically works.

2. It is part of a greater reality, but we don’t know what that greater reality consists of, or how to know if science can have access to it or not, or why its disqualified from the natural fabric of reality that we currently exist within.

3. We have no positive language to describe the specific characteristics of supernatural things or entities.

And you say atheists have gaps in their world view?

PS: I’ve had some wine, so if this is less than eloquent, I sincerely apologize. 😛

1. Yes.

1. Without any technical explaination for the mechanics of this, I don’t have any reason to take such a proposition seriously.  You’re essentially offering up a cause for an event that, by definition, cannot generate evidence in its favor over competing naturalistic hypotheses.  And the belief in miracles is in no way evidence that a given event was caused by one.

2. No, science cannot and never will have access to it.

2. Another, “I don’t know”.

3. We have lots of descriptions of God, angels, demons, heaven, hell. What you mean by "characteristics" is a material /scientific description--see #2.

lol, okay...so, then how do we describe what these things are without using materially relevant language? Without defaulting to what they are not? What are they?  Another, “we don’t/can’t know”, answer?  That’s three in a row, yet it seems to trouble you so when atheists give that answer for the origins of the universe.  

How can you consider the supernatural to be a coherent concept when it seems there is literally no way to describe what it is, or how it works?  

You hold your wine well!

Thanks!  Usually after three glasses my posts look like this: “isn’t h a kernel fkkdemdbk. Ejdjf je god dint sieikgndndi dirk so the. Driuuuuunk! 🍷”

😁