(October 17, 2018 at 11:37 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(October 17, 2018 at 11:14 am)OakTree500 Wrote: Kit has it below, but I'm making a claim based upon total lack of miracles in the world today, outside of highly religious/scamming based nations. You say they are 100%, therefore YOU have to prove that not me. I have nothing to show you, as miracles don't exist, so I can't show you anything.
Seems to me like you also can't show me anything, thus I'm correct. Again if you can prove me wrong, feel free to do so.
I can dismiss evidence, when there is none. The bible and it's contents are NOT evidence.
Re this: I'm merely pointing out that those who say that a miracle has happened happen to be from places where a high number of people are A) religious and B) on the take. Take that how you will, it has nothing to do with intellectual superiority or having a degree in any of the sciences. Again, why is it not happening in other places of the world? If Africa more Holy than say England? What's the difference?
If I was understanding you correctly, you claimed that X didn't happen (is 100% false, or something similar), because miracles don't happen (don't exist). Your reasoning seems to be, that any evidence of miracles is not evidence, because miracles cannot happen. They must be lying or mistaken, because of this a priori position, which you don't think that you need to support. Again, if I did this in with another topic, do you think that it would be accepted here (evolution, Trump corruption, existence of Sweden)? I've even had people here before, say that they would not believe, even if they did see a miracle
As to the testimony of the authors of the Bible not being evidence, I would ask again, that you support this claim. Why not? Your reasoning thus far seems to be circular.
Re testmoney of authors of the bible:
Worth checking this link for info:
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_f...sus_Christ
Particularly
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_f...n_evidence
Which lists the various reasons why we can't really accept anything in the NT as evidence for almost anything, with only very things coming within an acceptable date range of those to be of relevant age to when these writings are dated.
When I say Miracles are 100% false and didn't happen. I mean exactly that. My reasoning is that the "evidence" you have is the documented tales in the bible (see links above as to why that is a bad idea) and NOTHING ELSE.
If you did this with another topic, you would rightly be ridiculed because those things do exist and if you did research, you would find this. But I might add, not just from one poorly translated 2000+ old book, but from MULTIPLE SOURCES each independent of each other.
I really fail to grasp why you are going around in circles like this, when you know exactly what all of us are asking for yet you fail to provide it. If anybody is being "circular" with their arguments it's very much yourself, because instead of saying "Ok, here is the evidence" you've fallen back on the old theist tactic of "Well you have to prove it as well" whilst also purposefully misrepresenting things people are saying to you, and providing multiple fallacies in the process.
I say Unicorns don't exist, you do. You have to prove it.
Replace the word unicorns with God/miracles/any other shit you like that relates to make believe myths from your bible, and then cough up the evidence. Otherwise, I have nothing more to add to your garbage.
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