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Exodus 21
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RE: Exodus 21
(November 6, 2018 at 9:50 am)Jehanne Wrote:
(November 5, 2018 at 10:27 am)Drich Wrote: I do considering no economy of any nation ever created has not been built on the backs of slaves that was successful. Meaning only an all knowing God knew the society needed slaves in order to get on it's feet and support it self. and I think this is evidence of an agape' filled God as no such rules has ever protected the rights of a slave. wich to this point and even after never been done. Meaning man never has been unprompted to mandate slave rights.

Slavery is an intrinsic evil, which means that it is never right.  Yours is a sick version of Christianity, one that many professing Christians do not share:

POPE APOLOGIZES TO AFRICANS FOR SLAVERY

and if I told you the majority of the food you eat (that can not be mechanically harvested) was harvested by modern slaves?

That black friday 70 flat screen for 150 bucks was made so cheap because the person who assembled it got paid far less than what they could afford to live on?

10.00 per hour per house hold.. not per person. most live in subsidized private housing (owned by the company) and everyone in the house is expected to work for 10 bucks per hour or they work piece work/by the field.  which is usually less than 10 bucks per hour.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle...633ac6082c

So where is your apology? if all forms of slavery are all bad then you benefiting from modern slaves should be just as bad correct? then should you apologize? 
or is 10 per household a fare livable wage?

otherwise know if they were all paid 15 dollars per hour, you... could not afford to eat

The same was true 10x over back then when God issued these laws. Society (middle lower class) needs slaves in one form or another.

(November 6, 2018 at 11:39 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(November 6, 2018 at 11:17 am)Drich Wrote: The problem? we do not have a working model of a society not based on a slave class. Meaning society for the jews or anyone else would fail without slavery. (if you do not think this is the case then name one society that has been established without a slave's as it foundation.) Slavery is critical to every society.

It doesn't follow that because we have no working model of a slaveless society that such a society would be a failure.  That's just a non-sequitur.  At minimum, you need to give some reason why such a society would fail, not simply show that one has not existed.  That would be like saying because we haven't had an example of a true communist state that a successful one cannot exist.  Or that because we haven't seen heaven, that heaven can't exist.  It's essentially an argument from ignorance and thus fails.  You need to explain not just how slavery is important or useful to a society, but how it is necessary.  I don't think you've done so.
nice identification of a logical fallacy,  now simply provide the world with a working model of a society not built on slavery and the argument is yours.

Oh that's right you can't because all models demand basic needs: food water clothing to be provided at or below the average income. which means someone is working below a livable wage to provide the basics for everyone else. eg.. slaves by this name or the modern terms..

Maybe when robotics are perfected, but then again what happens to those who currently depend on slave wages to survive? if the robots take all of the slave work what will the modern slave do for a job? how can they make money or survive? robots don't make food free. the may make it cheaper but more than likly it will simply become more profitable for the growers.

Even if a society based on slavery does not meet all the requirements of a logical premise it does not mean we have the tools or capability to create such a society free from slavery. intellectually you are right but in practice the lack of a working slave less society despite some of our greatest minds best efforts proves that I am practically correct.
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Exodus 21 - by Bahana - November 3, 2018 at 11:56 am
RE: Exodus 21 - by Silver - November 3, 2018 at 12:06 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 3, 2018 at 12:13 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Drich - November 5, 2018 at 10:27 am
RE: Exodus 21 - by purplepurpose - November 5, 2018 at 10:45 am
RE: Exodus 21 - by Drich - November 5, 2018 at 11:27 am
RE: Exodus 21 - by Simon Moon - November 6, 2018 at 1:42 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Bucky Ball - November 8, 2018 at 4:34 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Jehanne - November 6, 2018 at 9:50 am
RE: Exodus 21 - by Drich - November 6, 2018 at 11:41 am
RE: Exodus 21 - by Angrboda - November 6, 2018 at 12:36 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Drich - November 6, 2018 at 1:17 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Angrboda - November 7, 2018 at 8:52 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Drich - November 8, 2018 at 2:56 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Jehanne - November 6, 2018 at 10:45 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Minimalist - November 5, 2018 at 11:50 am
RE: Exodus 21 - by purplepurpose - November 5, 2018 at 12:19 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Minimalist - November 6, 2018 at 3:39 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Bahana - November 5, 2018 at 1:29 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Drich - November 5, 2018 at 4:17 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Bahana - November 5, 2018 at 4:40 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Drich - November 5, 2018 at 5:26 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Losty - November 5, 2018 at 6:41 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Drich - November 6, 2018 at 11:17 am
RE: Exodus 21 - by Angrboda - November 6, 2018 at 11:39 am
RE: Exodus 21 - by Ravenshire - November 5, 2018 at 5:19 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by purplepurpose - November 6, 2018 at 1:09 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Bahana - November 6, 2018 at 1:56 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Drich - November 6, 2018 at 2:49 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Astreja - November 6, 2018 at 2:54 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Drich - November 7, 2018 at 11:05 am
RE: Exodus 21 - by Astreja - November 7, 2018 at 12:08 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Drich - November 7, 2018 at 2:21 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Astreja - November 7, 2018 at 4:08 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Drich - November 8, 2018 at 1:37 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Bahana - November 6, 2018 at 3:01 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Minimalist - November 6, 2018 at 11:55 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by possibletarian - November 7, 2018 at 5:36 am
RE: Exodus 21 - by Minimalist - November 7, 2018 at 11:16 am
RE: Exodus 21 - by Minimalist - November 7, 2018 at 4:05 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Minimalist - November 8, 2018 at 2:00 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by The Grand Nudger - November 8, 2018 at 2:25 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Astreja - November 8, 2018 at 2:27 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Drich - November 8, 2018 at 3:05 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Astreja - November 8, 2018 at 4:05 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Drich - November 8, 2018 at 4:28 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Astreja - November 8, 2018 at 7:32 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Bahana - November 8, 2018 at 2:34 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by The Grand Nudger - November 8, 2018 at 3:04 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Drich - November 8, 2018 at 3:07 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by The Grand Nudger - November 8, 2018 at 3:06 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Drich - November 8, 2018 at 4:04 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by The Grand Nudger - November 8, 2018 at 3:08 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Drich - November 8, 2018 at 4:06 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Minimalist - November 8, 2018 at 3:13 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Astreja - November 8, 2018 at 4:14 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Drich - November 8, 2018 at 4:56 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Minimalist - November 8, 2018 at 4:31 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by The Grand Nudger - November 8, 2018 at 6:26 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Drich - November 9, 2018 at 11:16 am
RE: Exodus 21 - by The Grand Nudger - November 9, 2018 at 9:29 am
RE: Exodus 21 - by The Grand Nudger - November 9, 2018 at 11:26 am
RE: Exodus 21 - by Drich - November 9, 2018 at 3:28 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by The Grand Nudger - November 9, 2018 at 3:29 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Drich - November 9, 2018 at 4:01 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by The Grand Nudger - November 9, 2018 at 4:06 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Astreja - November 9, 2018 at 4:09 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Angrboda - November 9, 2018 at 4:11 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Bucky Ball - November 9, 2018 at 4:37 pm
RE: Exodus 21 - by Minimalist - November 9, 2018 at 6:12 pm

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