(November 7, 2018 at 1:00 pm)OakTree500 Wrote:(November 7, 2018 at 12:49 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Your point?
WELL, in relation to the OP:
Quote:Here I would like to start a discussion whether hell exist or not especially with Christians and Muslim which are so sure that hell exist.
Which in this case would mean the "supernatural hell of infinite torture" doesn't exist at all, and that hell in the bible is references a physical place that essentially was a city dump.
The old testament relates that, "“Then they will go forth and look on the corpses of the men who have transgressed against Me. For their worm will not die and their fire will not be quenched; and they will be an abhorrence to all mankind,” (Isaiah 66:24, NASB). And the new testament says, "It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell, ‘where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.’" (Mark 9:47-48, NASB) I'm not going to go through the entire bible or even Jesus, Paul, and the disciples' words on hell, but from these two references alone, we can see that the references to hell are not necessarily to a literal place. I applaud your argument, but it seems weak, and appears contradicted by other testimony in the bible. Regardless of whether the bible refers to it as something more than a physical place, it's clear that Christian and Muslim tradition refers to it as something more than that, so I'm not sure what your point is. If it's that there is no biblical support for the non-physical conception of hell, then I'd say you're not really addressing the OP's complaint, and, additionally, also appear to be wrong.