I wouldn’t be a Christian

[Belacqua]

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https://hilo.hawaii.edu/campuscenter/hoh...lMoniz.pdf

Thank you! According to this article, most apocalyptic tales are cyclical, as I said. Things go downhill, but then they start up again. It appears that the Norse and the Zoroastrian religions had non-cyclical ends in view. So I guess we can round up a bit and say that because we have three tales of an ending -- Christian, Norse, and Zoroastrian -- then the idea is "global." 

https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/myst/hd_myst.htm
(savior figures are also a global belief)

No, sorry. Eleusian and Bacchic Mysteries were rituals and ceremonies that people went through to wake them up to the supernatural and prepare them for death. There is no savior figure involved. If you read the article at the link you provided, it says that early 20th century scholarship attempted to make the connection to Christian beliefs, but the differences are still very significant. Greeks and Romans who participated in the Mysteries did not have a savior figure, and the culture in general didn't think there was one who was coming, or that one was possible. 

The revelation of john was one of the last bits added.  It almost didn't make the cut.

But it did make the cut. It is part of the Bible. It is composed of Old Testament, not Greek, symbolism.

For that, you are going to have to do alot of research on your own.  In thread, I'll only mention again that the people who did actually follow the religion of the old testament realized..at the time and up to this day, that the christians were not getting their ideas from the ot, no matter what they claimed.  They weren't wrong..to consider them heretics and pagans.

I have done a lot of research on my own. This is something I have studied. 

To say that the Christians didn't get ideas from the Old Testament is wildly unhistorical. They did. As I said before, they changed the meanings and used them in new ways, just as they did with Greek ideas. And from a Jewish perspective they got it all wrong. But the origins in Hebrew culture are undeniable. Telling me to look it up won't change that. 

If you have some link to the contrary I am willing to look at it. Absent that, I will stick with the years of research that I've already done. 

What on earth.....?  I don't believe in magic book or god.  That was the position of a person very important to the construction of christian belief, who thought that, had followers - and was executed for his troubles.  Marcion.

You wrote that, "The guy who gave them the idea for a magic book thought that jesus was here to -save- us from old magic books evil god." 

Christians in general do not think that the OT God is evil. They don't think that Jesus came to save us from God, because Jesus is God. (One person of the Trinity.) There are of course minority and Gnostic traditions that disagree. William Blake, for one, did think the OT God was a fake. In many eras he would have been severely punished for saying so. 

So yes, you can name some people who agree with your characterization. But what you wrote is not the position of any official Christian sect today, and hasn't been for centuries. 

you were probably talking more about the fact that christian people did and wrote and sculpted and painted things.  

And believed things and constructed theological systems. 

Christian theology, itself, is wholly immaterial to that.  

Wholly immaterial to what? The cultural monuments of Europe? 

Are you claiming that Christian theology is immaterial to the literature and art and music of European culture? Because that would be too silly a thing to say. 

They would have (and did) paint and write and sculpt things..and even these things changed christian theology.

True, sometimes the arts and the theology worked in dialectic and evolved together. This is one of the ways in which Christianity took ancient ideas from the Greeks and the Hebrews and molded them for new eras.